Thread: Survey: Recovery Point solution?

The dixon bate has the same disadvantage as a fromt mounted pintle hook. Although it is suitable, it protrudes from the front of the vehicel a reasonable amount. That isn't an issue really, except that vehicles can't have things protruding foward of the bull bar (or whatever). Now most recovery points do this anyway, but they are pretty obviously foward of it.

For the front of the vehicle there are a couple of solutions that I like. A hook mounted on the chassis below the vehicle is good. It can be hard to access, but it is strong, tidy and out of the way.

However by a similar token, Jate rings (like Defender200Tdi has) are cheap, tidy and strong. only minus, you need to use a shackle, but as long as a rated shackle is used, I don't have an issue with that.

Jate Ring


Pirate has some good recovery points, although they do protrude foward a bit. The ones that I like (and have courtesy of the army), is a shackle mounting bracket like hook has. These attach to the end of the chassis rail.

Shackle Mounting Bracket


Rear recovery points, the inserts for the towbar recievers are great, otherwise a rear hook is good.

On the rear I have a pintle hook which can be used for recovery (and remember no towballs).

Will ARB or TJM rate their recover points on bull bars. Not for snatch recoveries they won't, too woried baout being sued. But they will sell you things like recovery hooks. My brother picked one up for about $20, and jate rings are equally well priced I believe.

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I have no doubt that jate rings and hooks work very well, I suppose if you setup a bridel before you enter the slug you can solve the access issue. The problem though is not all bullbars give clear access to attach a snatch strap to the hook.(See below) So depending on the angle of the snatch you might be putting undue forces where it's not supposed to go.



I'm not sure if protruding recovery points is considered illegal but the scorpion swivel pin would certainly solve that problem.

Am i being too anal about recovery points 8O [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

Probably not, but it is usually the points strength that is the brunt of conjecture.

It is unfortunate when other things get in the way like that, and I don't think it is unusual. That is when you need to have something on the outside like the shackle bracket (yes I like them).

I think it was bushie that had trouble with the RTA about a protruding point & a rego inspection, something that you have to weigh up I guess.

This is not a topic that can be over-discussed - the more we learn, the better.

The tow jaw on the bullbar... even the site says it is the ideal towing solution. It makes no mention of recovery (not that I could find).

Henry mentions the worry of exerting undue forces on the vehicle (or rather, force exerted in the wrong axis). You may be interested in the soultion of "Axle Direct Recovery" which is discussed toiward the end of this thread:

http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Foru...viewtopic&t=896

ADR purports to be a better method of recovering coil sprung vehciles.
There is a link to their site in that thread so have a read and see what you reckon.

I don't particularly like the convept of pulling at the axle of a coil spring vehicle, a little less about leaf, but coils, dunno.

It just strikes me that perhaps it isn't the best idea to be putting those kind of forces on the axle. It makes sense & all, but I remain unconvinced.

I think that the ADR cable is a very good solution to the problem, it's just that I refuse to be screwed that badly for a piece of steel cable and a couple of eyes. $250, no thanks. 8O

Although the JATE rings are what I used, I don't really like them either. Sure they are strong and effective as well as being reasonably priced, but as others have also recognised, they are always buried in whatever it is your stuck in - sand, mud whatever.

I like Pirate's solution for convenience and strength, but if I recall correctly the price was fairly high too. Not that I'm a terrible miser, but I just don't like forking out cash if I can't see where the value is. I rekon a bit of work with a mill will have me a set of the same things, I'm just waiting for the right moment to break the news to a mate who has access to said mill. :wink: I've been delaying because I'm thinking of incorporating a winch cradle at the same time. 8)

I think it's pretty crap by ARB and TJM et al that they can produce a bullbar without providing decent recovery points thereon. It would take little extra effort or cost to do that at the time of manufacture. :x


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Originally posted by Defender200Tdi
I think it's pretty crap by ARB and TJM et al that they can produce a bullbar without providing decent recovery points thereon. It would take little extra effort or cost to do that at the time of manufacture.

I think it is even crappier that LandRover produce what is arguably the best "out of the box" 4WD yet dont address the issue of recovery points (I mean as good off road as they are they WILL get bogged).

For front recovery points I have used recovery hooks mounted to the top of the Bull bar with a piece of 12mm flat plate underneath to provide the strength.

Hook

UnderBar

These are used with a load equaliser (Bridle) or Tree trunk protector to snatch from.


Bushie

That's a nice tidy place for the hook Bushie. I presume that it is a steel bar :wink: