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Thread: X-Springs, Love them or Hate them?

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    X-Springs, Love them or Hate them?

    Another thread on articulation got me wondering about the X-Springs, I have seen them in action on the rear of MLD's truck and they look ok but it seemed out of balance a little.

    Are the X-Springs a good idea for increased articulation?

    Is there really a disadvantage on side slopes that they can "push" the vehicle over?

    Finally what happens with the front shock or do people only run them on the rear? Is there a kit to re-locate the front shock?

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    Iain
    They are mainly fitted to the rears.
    I wasn't aware that Mark has them fitted,but Mike (Gold Cloverleaf) has had them fitted for a while and likes them.
    The jury is out as far as I am concerned,mine is balanced an working nicely at the moment without them
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowRanger View Post
    Iain
    They are mainly fitted to the rears.
    I wasn't aware that Mark has them fitted,but Mike (Gold Cloverleaf) has had them fitted for a while and likes them.
    The jury is out as far as I am concerned,mine is balanced an working nicely at the moment without them
    Sorry my bad, somehow got Mark and Mike confused….

    I guess that is my question really, are they just an easy way out of a well balanced truck?

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    I personally don't see the point of them, I have bottom cones on the back of my Range Rover which I fabricated, (it has +5" terrafirma shocks), under full flex the cone drops right out of the bottom of the spring, however as it is retained at the top it naturally lines back up to re-seat, personally I'd prefer longer springs that were retained, this is a temporary set up for me. X-springs seem clunky and over complicated in the videos I've watched, my cones don't even make a noise.

    If you're at Mulgo any time and Mitch is there, he has the first set I made on the back of his 110, the later version is different and uses 10mm round bar. Neither set has ever given an issue at all.

    Here's a pic showing mine at near full extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chook73 View Post
    Is there a kit to re-locate the front shock?
    I have no idea what an x spring is......

    Re: kit to relocate front shock, yes there is. Airbag Man make them for when you fit airbags to the front of a defer.....

    Bender07 had air bags on the front of his puma.....I'm guessing he manufactured them himself as I don't think he used the airbag man kit

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    Hi Iain
    Good to hear from you. I was looking at them at the moment as I am in the gathering phase before changing the suspension in one hit. Having seen Mike's articulate, the action is smooth,silent with great travel. They are listed as out of stock at the moment on their web site. I was going to mix and match the Gwyn Lewis fitting with them on the rear. There is a company that relocates the front shock forward outside the spring which would allow you to run them at both ends. The front of Gwyn's fitting don't seem to generate the same noise as the back, though maybe this is due to the rear articulating sooner than the front and a different style of fitting. Be different vehicle to vehicle and dependant on terrain.

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    didnt RRC with EAS have outboard front shocks...maybe look at there shock mount?

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    WTF are X springs, Regards Frank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brendanm View Post
    Hi Iain
    Good to hear from you. I was looking at them at the moment as I am in the gathering phase before changing the suspension in one hit. Having seen Mike's articulate, the action is smooth,silent with great travel. They are listed as out of stock at the moment on their web site. I was going to mix and match the Gwyn Lewis fitting with them on the rear. There is a company that relocates the front shock forward outside the spring which would allow you to run them at both ends. The front of Gwyn's fitting don't seem to generate the same noise as the back, though maybe this is due to the rear articulating sooner than the front and a different style of fitting. Be different vehicle to vehicle and dependant on terrain.
    Hi Mate, been a bit busy with work lately and a truck blocking up my driveway….

    It was actually Gwyn that talked me out of the x-springs the other night. Apparently he has had a lot of problems with them and wont touch them, I value his opinion, he is a no BS type of guy.

    He explained that lightly loaded trucks (such as empty 130's) get pushed up when the release of load reaches a certain point such as when your going down a rock step, the unloading of the weight on the rear combined with the inner spring kicking in makes for a very scary ride….

    I am putting in the original springs Ken made for me with the new trailing arms and super flex radius arms with Gwyns long travel shock mounts. Hopefully should flex up ok for a tourer….

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