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    SUFFIX QUESTION

    I'm selling a motor-gearbox-transfercase-fairey overdrive assembly which I have been telling people is SII.
    The motor has the old screw type ignition leads, a generator and a solex carby, plus pre emission control oil filler / breather and old style clutch. But it has a SIII (ribbed) adaptor to the bell housing and the timing indicator is on the front. So obviously there's been some tinkering.

    Now the gearbox is a suffix D, Gearbox No. 25255889D.
    Did SII boxes go up to suffix D?
    How do you externally tell a SII and SIII box apart?

    I'm asking $1000 the lot, the motor goes. But I'm only getting queries for the O/Drive. If the G/Box were a SIII I'm sure I could sell the lot.



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    I've broken the syncro clips in hellspawn.............again. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img] So I've got the gearbox out of her and I've a project series 2A that is a drive gear on the chassis only.

    Had a look at both and there are some obvious things between the two.

    The clutch slave position. Series two slave is on the drivers side mounted vertically on it's own bracket and uses a shaft to link up to the clutch.

    Series three slave is on the passenger side and is mounted into the bellhousing on the motor side just under the starter and works the release fork directly without a link shaft.

    Other little differences like the series two gear knob is flat and round whereas the series three is about the size and shape of a golf ball but wouldn't a good thing to rely on.

    Suffix normally only shows where in the sequence the box was built. Some suffix show minor modifications the factory made throughout production as in the example of 'D' had a higher reduction for low range than 'A'. Though that wouldn't tell much between the series unless you did a numbers check.

    As for the motor check for an inspection plate on the right hand side above where the flywheel would be on the bell housing or if seperated whether there is timing marks in the flywheel. Timing was set through this inspection plate on the series 2s.

    Series three had no inspection plate rather markings on the crank pulley and pointer on the timing cover. It was a common mod. to change old motors to series three spec. on the basis of easier to set ignition timing than the earlier method.

    Hope this gives some help to identifying the mystery setup. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Hi Micheal2
    If its of any help,the Ser3 gearbox I sold from "The Toy",1979 model had the "Leyland" L cast into the gearbox case,but I dont know how early they started doing that.
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    suffix question

    [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] Hi Micheal2
    that looks like a series 2/2a gearbox fitted with a series3 bellhousing , the bellhousing is interchangable, the 1,2,2a, box is crash 1st&2nd (no syncromesh) and the ser3 was all syncro, yes they did go up to suffix "F" then started back at "A",the gear lever looks like the vehicle was a six cylinder 2a ? as the gear lever is fairly straight, the 4cyl 2/2a has a very pronounced crank in it, the engine fitted with a solex carb is out of a pre suffix "D" chassis vehicle, pre 1968, the the timing pointer on the front would make the Eng No somwhere around 253-----"A"-to-"J" as suffix "K"on had Zenith36IV carbs, the early 25D lucas distributor is a ring in,but not unusual as most English 4cyl vehicles had 25D or 29D dizzies
    I hope that is of some help
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    Thanks guys - looks like it's SII, I just had never seen suffix letters on SII boxes before - not that I'd gone looking for them.

    Your expertise is appreciated

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    UncleHo.

    My gearbox is 90141780 A stmaped on it.

    DO u think this may still be the s2a box?

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    G'day Land-lord

    With a number like 90141780A I would be pretty sure in saying that it is Series 3 and has the clutch slave cylinder mounting on the left hand side of the bellhousing, that would make it a fully syncro unit, if the syncros are still working would be the 64 dollar question

    If your G/box bellhousing has the upper bolt hole in the 12 O'clock (noon) position it is from a 4cylinder, if it has the holes in 11am and 1pm position it is from a 6cyl vehicle.


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    THanks

    I have the 6cyl 186 holden attached to the housing - woudl that imply the box is for the 6cyl? (dumb question probably)

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    I also read elsewhere that the S3 boxes when tup to SUFFIX F and then started again at A.

    Is this correct, If so, what are the chances of this box being after Suffix F?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Land-lord
    THanks

    I have the 6cyl 186 holden attached to the housing - woudl that imply the box is for the 6cyl? (dumb question probably)
    No, could have been either a Landrover 4 or 6 before it was converted to Holden - check where the studs are.

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