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    Series 3 Cooling System

    My S3 2.25 diesel rebuild has been showing temperature up into the red after been running for 15 minutes or so. I did put another temperature sensor in the head recently (due to electrical connection being broken off) and from research it may be the wrong one. Also on stripping the thermostat housing I found that the thermostat had been partly removed so was no longer having any effect. Is the thermostat critical or the purchase of the correct temperature sensor all that's required.
    Whole system has been well flushed and vehicle has a new water pump and radiator is in good condition.
    I'm baffled as to quick temperature rise.

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    The thermostat is essential.

    Is the radiator new? If not it may be blocked even though it looks fine. A digital laser thermometer is useful for measuring the surface temperature of the radiator, to check for even water flow; it should be cooler at the bottom of course.

    Does the top hose feel too hot to touch, when the gauge reads hot? If not then the sender unit may be the wrong one, as you surmise,

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    Yes the thermostat is essential to proper cooling.

    Matching the sensor with the electrical system/voltage stabiliser and respective gauge is critical.

    When an engine is overheating it is usually either a radiator blockage or problem in the engine like a blown head gasket.

    Now you've identified a problem with the current thermostat, fitting a new one should be your first job.

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    If it's not blowing coolant out of itself it's not likely to be the head gasket.

    Without a thermostat the diesel will struggle to maintain temp at idle,

    I'd blame the gauge or regulator but you could also have a failed sender that is going shorting when the coolant finally warms up.


    First thing I'd do is check the temp with a stand alone thermometer.
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    As Dave says - first determine whether it really is overheating. With no thermostat, it would have to have a fairly serious (and almost certainly obvious) problem to even get up to operating temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazza View Post
    The thermostat is essential.

    Is the radiator new? If not it may be blocked even though it looks fine. A digital laser thermometer is useful for measuring the surface temperature of the radiator, to check for even water flow; it should be cooler at the bottom of course.

    Does the top hose feel too hot to touch, when the gauge reads hot? If not then the sender unit may be the wrong one, as you surmise,

    Cheers Charlie
    Hoses aren't to hot to touch and I wouldn't say it's overheating. Just worried that the temperature gauge sits midway when vehicle first started but after 10-15 minutes moves up into the red.

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    Series 3 Cooling

    The temperature sensor I had put in was a new spare that was sitting in a draw. Can't remember what Landy or Range Rover I'd bought it for but was not for a diesel motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    Yes the thermostat is essential to proper cooling.

    Matching the sensor with the electrical system/voltage stabiliser and respective gauge is critical.

    When an engine is overheating it is usually either a radiator blockage or problem in the engine like a blown head gasket.

    Now you've identified a problem with the current thermostat, fitting a new one should be your first job.
    I would have thought that without the thermostat the whole system would be running to cold. It's not a blown head gasket as system is not loosing any water, running rough or moisture in oil. I'm thinking that it may be just the temperature sensor.

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    Not true, the lack of a thermostat overcools the engine, using more fuel (particularly when you have an automatic choke) and leading to premature engine wear. Remember the thermostat opens at minimum engine operating temperature so below that temp fuel is more dense and won't vaporise correctly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    Not true, the lack of a thermostat overcools the engine, using more fuel (particularly when you have an automatic choke) and leading to premature engine wear. Remember the thermostat opens at minimum engine operating temperature so below that temp fuel is more dense and won't vaporise correctly
    On a diesel?

    "My S3 2.25 diesel rebuild has been showing temperature up into the red ...."

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