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    Trouble in my water ....

    I'm a bit puzzled at how my coolant is behaving.

    Its a '91 dual fuel Rangie with 300km.

    Normally, I loose a little water but nothing that an occasional top up doesn't fix. Although occasionally water disappears from the system and it need a litre or more.

    I confess to using water, rather than actual coolant.

    The water is usually clear but on two occasions (one two years ago and one two months ago - during hard drives from Melb to Syd) it has frothed badly, then settled to clear again within a day. (see pic)



    A couple of years ago, when idling, tiny bubbles appeared in the water, suggesting there's a leak into the water. but that was last seen two years ago. Other than the frothing & a little loss (system remains pressurised after days of rest) all seems good.

    I know that normally froth means leaking combustion chamber, but its the fact that the water is normally clear that's confusing me.

    Any idea why it froths then clears? And what, if anything needs to be done.

    Thanks, Kenny

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    Run coolant first up,cooling systems are designed to run under pressure and with coolant,both stop the ''water'' boiling off when driven hard,or start saving for repairs. Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAT303 View Post
    Run coolant first up,cooling systems are designed to run under pressure and with coolant,both stop the ''water'' boiling off when driven hard,or start saving for repairs. Pat
    ...it (ethylene glycol, AKA 'radiator coolant') is also a corrosion inhibitor, so can prevent corrosion within the block and associated cooling passages.

    Looks very much like a head gasket issue- this can cause oil or combustion gas ingress into the cooling system.

    Get your coolant checked for combustion gases. Your mechanic can do this for you, or there are kits you can buy for DIY.
    The froth can also be caused by oil forming an emulsion in the coolant, which is my bet by looking at the pics.
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    3rd'd, that foam sure looks like water/oil mix that has boiled.
    I would never run any LR without coolant at the least for the corrosion inhibitors, i've had a water pump and timing cover with pin hole corrosion in an RRC.
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    Thanks - hadn't thought of the anti corrosion qualities of the coolant.

    The water is clear but the inside of the expansion tank is dirty, so I'm sure that there's a lot of crap and scum in the system now. Do you know if the coolant act as a flushing/cleaning agent that I can replace in a few Km's, or would you suggest getting the full system cleaned out to start again?

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    So you have been running just water for several years?
    Have you used demineralized water?

    If not your problems will probably be big ones. I would expect lots of corrosion on water hose stubs and in the water pump and the radiator to be corroded and many tubes blocked. You could even have corrosion between the oil gallery and water gallery or a corroded pin hole in a head

    The immediate problem to me is that you have a blown headgasket which is leaking from an oilway into the water gallery. There are only 2 places on the engine that they are close and that is at the back of the block/head join on the left bank and opposite on the right bank.
    RV8 engines will go a long time if given regular oil changes and good quality coolant changed regularly, but if either are neglected they can turn into a money pit.
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    Flush the system but do not use one of those powdered flushing additives, but as Philip said you really need to address the head gasket before worrying about coolant now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeman View Post
    Thanks - hadn't thought of the anti corrosion qualities of the coolant.

    The water is clear but the inside of the expansion tank is dirty, so I'm sure that there's a lot of crap and scum in the system now. Do you know if the coolant act as a flushing/cleaning agent that I can replace in a few Km's, or would you suggest getting the full system cleaned out to start again?
    The crap in the expansion tank is corrosion from the block and other surfaces touched by the coolant.
    Tap water can also act as a conductor of electricity, speeding up any galvanic reactions between dissimilar metals connected within the system (iron block, alloy heads, steel fasteners etc).

    There is no detergent quality of the coolant proper, if you need to clean the system, you would be best to go to a radiator shop (Natrad, etc) and get a power flush. You can just put the garden hose up the radiator bottom coolant hose and flush it from there, but you wont have as good a clean.
    Only issue is, this can tend to open up more issues if the system is badly corroded. I'm talking opening up pinholes in radiators, causing leaks where rubber hoses meet metal pipes, etc.
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    I'm on top of the maintenance, oil change, etc... for longevity - but never even considered coolant!!

    Dub-ass reason is because I lived in the UK most of my life and we called it anti-freeze. In summer, we used water and winter anti-freeze i.e. no freeze = no need. I guess there was always residual coolant in the engine to keep it right, just higher concentrate in winter; something I obviously didn't pick up on.

    I've been thinking of getting a 2nd engine and doing a full rebuild - seems more likely now.

    Thanks for the advice - gasket crack always suspected but the variation in water clarity & froth is what confused me.

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