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                                                13th July 2005, 02:16 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					After recently fitting 32" tyres to my Rangie, it has lost a bit of performance. What should i do? Boost the engine (3.5) for more power or look at 4.1 diffs? I want better driveability around town and offroad. So whats the best value $ wise?
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                13th July 2005, 02:30 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Really a 3.5 will never have much more torque, which is what you want for driveability. Short of fitting a 3.9, 4.0 or 4.6 which is going to cost A LOT, the best option is to gear down, so that you restore the original gearing. This will still cost a pretty penny, I think about 2 grand.
You haven't specified whether it is a 4speed, 5 speed or auto. The CHEAPEST may be lower high range gears at about $600 DIY if a 5 speed LT230 or ZF with LT230.  BUT then your low range would be pretty high.
There is a guy trying to sell a 4.4 P76 on Outer Limits, but he is still hung up on how much he spent on it. If you could get it for under 2 grand that might be an answer.
Regards  Philip A
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                13th July 2005, 02:34 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					thanks, its a '89 with 3.5, ZF auto and BW transfer case. Its only done 170000km so any major engine mods/rebuilds are out of the question at the moment.
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                13th July 2005, 05:07 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					toyota small six blower - $400 max - heaps around
make your own brackets / manifold adapters  cheap but time consuming
should give you an easy 5 - 8 pounds boost.  money and time well spent imo
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                13th July 2005, 05:42 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Yeah, its really simple!
Unfortunately you would be asking questions that the poor old 14CU flapper could not answer.  A unichip is $1400 and is the minimum you would need to trim the fuel and retard on boost.  
Realistically you would need an aftermarket ECU . Now we will have many posts of "buy a Megasquirt" only $300." Are you really handy with the soldering iron and multimeter , willing to troubleshoot, and do not need your car on the road for long periods?
Look  you will need $2000 whatever you do. Trust me. I have fitted injection to a 77 Rangie, I have modified a 14CUX  3.9 engine, I have added a Thor manifold to a 14CUX. It costs money.  One Dyno session for fuel trimming will cost $300 plus.
Regards Philip A
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                13th July 2005, 06:04 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					oops - thought he had an older su carb 3.5. just looked at the sig line 89 rangie. - yep not too easy without expensive ecu crap. but would lowish boost bother the flapper system?
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                13th July 2005, 07:23 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Rule of thumb is that most systems have about 10-15% headroom.
Anything over and the flapper would max out.
Also AFAIK  the 3.5 injectors do not have much headroom, unlike 3.9 which has bigger injectors than a 308. (22lb vs 18.5Lb)
So not much point in all that work for boost to give less than 15%.
BUT  its not a bad idea for my 3.9  though.
not many people know how to fuel trim an old flapper these days.
Regards Philip A
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                13th July 2005, 09:22 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Do what i do with the Defender after fitting the 33's.....
Put up with it... its cheap.....
and i lack the grunt a V8 has....
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
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                                                14th July 2005, 06:43 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					DO it PROPERLY.
Fit lower diff gears. 4.1.
this will correct both high and low range.
Michael.
				
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	
 
		
		
		
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			
				
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