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    Bio-diesel in your Landy. Anyone tried or tempted?

    Hi All

    Discussions over a beer revealed a bloke I know is looking at converting his Jackeroo to bio-diesel.

    I immediately said "No Way, will I put used chip oil in my Defender!". Then I got to thinking that I had sampled a lovely extra virgin recently that had wonderful grassy notes with a light finish. It is around $40 a litre...

    But seriously. The 300Tdi is fairly basic right, and while the turbo might be an issue it is probably feasible. ?

    What is this talk of bio-diesel? Would it be a no goer for turbos?

    J

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    I have no experience with it but apparently there is no problem using it and it does clean out the system - problem is the hassle in making it.

    There used to be a biodiesel service station at Hexam just outside Newcastle but I don't know if it is still there.

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    It burns cleaner, is better for your engine, and is better for your hip pocket. There are several processes it has to go throught to filter is first and it can be made in useable quantities at home for around 40c/litre. There are people doing it here, all the buses in Wagga run on it, and it readily available in Europe at bowsers. I am seriously thinking about it, i just dont know where to start.



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    time to look further into it

    the tip is diesel will be $1.50 a litre within a month in AU

    successive governments have sold out the little guy in favour of kick backs from the big end of town since malcom frazer started the ball rolling....

    now bp are saying:-

    In Singapore, ultra low sulphur diesel was trading at around $US 49 a barrel in January 2005 and averaged around $US 71 per barrel in July.

    Some customers consider that diesel is a by-product of petrol production, and is cheaper to produce and therefore should be cheaper at the pump. This is not the case. In fact, modern diesel fuels are of a very high quality and are highly refined. Current Australian standards require a low sulphur content (500 parts per million or less), and in many locations around Australia BP has progressed to selling ultra low sulphur diesel (50 ppm or less). This low sulphur standard helps to lower the emissions from diesel vehicles, but requires extensive treatment in the refining process to remove the sulphur from crude oil. The extra equipment required to achieve a reduction in sulphur content is immense. Not all refineries can produce to the ultra low sulphur specification, and occasionally this can lead to supply constraints.

    Ultra low sulphur diesel fuel attracts an excise charge of 38.143 cents per litre. An additional 2 cpL excise applies to diesel (and similar products) of more than 50 parts per million sulphur content. The Federal Government has applied this excise differential to encourage production of cleaner fuels in order to provide a benefit to air quality.

    A large proportion of on-road diesel is sold on commercial contracts, and as such competition is driven by different factors than for petrol sales. For this reason, a sawtooth cycle hasn't developed for diesel.

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    the state governments dont do anything because the higher price = higher gst returns which go to the states...

    the oil compaines profits as a percentage per litre of fuel have more than doubled since 1998 when the federal government stopped regulating them....

    where's it gunna stop?
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    A mad kiwi mate of mine was so low on fuel in his tipper

    He went into the fish and chip shop

    was given 10 litre, he poured it straight into the tank

    and away he went,

    He uses it quite often now

    he reckons it mixes with the diesel ok just need

    to change the filter more often

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    Yes its supposed to be cleaner. Less emissions and your oil stays cleanner. You go through fuel filters faster at first while all the gunk is removed. A mate has tons of documentation on it and how to set up the process. He also now has most of the parts to set it up and several hundred litres of used cooking oil and access to heaps more. The big hassel with doing it yourself is registering with the ATO and paying the exise. If I could buy it from my fuel suppliers I would.

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    I was reading up on making bio diesel last week and came across this site
    http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

    They go on and on about it.

    There is a recipe there the foolproof recipe
    http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html
    that claims it takes out all of the glycerin and burns clean ie doesn't smell like old chip oil.

    Looks like a bloody good idea, just the ultra poisonous fumes, the mild risk of making nitro-glycerin and the space needed to do it.

    I'm sure that if someone was keen enough to get it going they would have a career sized captive market on this forum alone.

    Cheers

    Simon

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    Reading my owners handbook for the td5 defender is states - Caution This vehicle is NOT compatible with Bio deisel. Why?????

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    Don't know about tdi's but have a family friend who has been running his COunty for years (around 10) on old vege oil. He reports small decrease in performance but in all other ways performs the same. I have read some of the books he had on its production and it seems like a bit of mucking around. He has got it down to a fine art and developed a pretty good set up but it still requires a fair bit of time to produce. Hope this helps,
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    There's a few threads about this over at Outer Limits:

    http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...diesel&start=30
    http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...light=biodiesel

    If you do a search there, you'll find plenty more.

    I'm interested in hearing any feedback about biodiesel in Td5 engines.

    Cheers, Ian

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