Spot or Flood light bar up under roof rack? NSW roof light legality?

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26th February 2016, 12:41 PM
V8Ian

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Originally Posted by andylandy

Vehicle was defected for having roof mounted driving lights, and therefore not being compliant with the ADR as they are not at the front of the vehicle. I did say they are not driving lights but work lights on a separate circuit, the response was I don't care if there not even wired up, there not at the front of the vehicle therefore I'm defecting them!

Where does that leave all the taxis, pizza delivery cars, etc.?
26th February 2016, 01:01 PM
Eevo

arnt those light facing the side?
26th February 2016, 01:45 PM
mudmouse

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Originally Posted by frantic

Unfortunately, the truth hurts;)
Their "gig" may be traffic, but there's different ways to do the job. One is to target easy numbers , the other is to actually make a difference and make the road safer. In most opinions he's taken option one.
Option two, to be like a cop stopping a theif would be to catch the morons overtaking in single lane areas over double white lines who will kill another road user, option one is to hide 5 kms down the road in a divided dual lane straight section and book those doing 5-15ks over. Which do you think makes the road safer?
It is either the same cop or station who is running a campaign against roof lights in that area to be brought up in parliament he must have annoyed a fair few people:eek:

If there's a problem with the way someone does their job, then it's best to take it up with their supervisor - not a lot to be gained by posting it on social media because the subject won't bear any consequences.

The Options you've pointed out may be valid, but who are we to tell someone how to do a job we haven't done. How do you know that isn't being done? (apart from you not being witness to it?)

And as for the truth hurting - the policeman doesn't know...If someones got a beef with the police, take it up with them.

Relax....
26th February 2016, 02:27 PM
frantic

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Originally Posted by mudmouse

If there's a problem with the way someone does their job, then it's best to take it up with their supervisor - not a lot to be gained by posting it on social media because the subject won't bear any consequences.

The Options you've pointed out may be valid, but who are we to tell someone how to do a job we haven't done. How do you know that isn't being done? (apart from you not being witness to it?)

And as for the truth hurting - the policeman doesn't know...If someones got a beef with the police, take it up with them.

Relax....

Let's be honest, the camp spots for speeding are for revenue raising. Taking it up with a supervisor who has given them a target is a joke:D
The regular hwy patrol camp spots in my area have zero to do with safety. One is at the bottom of a hill next to the end of a long straight on ramp south bound Berkeley , only deaths there from (very high)speeding where officers trying to catch up to a pursuit in heavy rain at night aquaplaned into the middle dividing mound got airborne flipping the car onto the roof.
Another is a high traffic zone where the tax collector sorry cop was to busy pinging people to stop 3 obese Uni students who had cut a hole through the fence and where struggling to get across the start of the northern distributor dividing concrete barrier(3lanes both directions )between north gong and Uni/ tafe 50 m away from him.
Last time I checked a state rep raising an issue about unfair targeting of roof work lights in parliament was not social media ;)
26th February 2016, 02:51 PM
mudmouse

My suggestion to take it up with the blokes supervisor was regarding his behaviour.

The matter of a defect is either fact or not. If Andy got booked then I guess he can take it to court, if not the defect can be sorted by an examiner and if it's false, then take it up with the police. You can presume taking a problem up with anyone is a joke, but give it a go - and tell us what the result is.

Camp spots - well if everyone knows they're there, then how inattentive do you have to be to get done....? I don't go fishing where I know there's no fish :D, maybe they don't either.

Taking 'unfair targeting of roof work lights' to parliament will always come back to whether it's legal to have them to not. This thread is social media and just has everyone's 2 bob's - doesn't address the problem (legal or not). The unfair bit is pretty soft.

All the best mate. I can see you've got a beef with the way some people do their job, but I guess it might take for the cops, council or someone else to come into your workplace, and start passing judgement on how you do yours, to see that it's not a strong argument.
26th February 2016, 04:26 PM
BathurstTom

My suggestion is to take it to an authorised registration station, have them inspect the lights and get them to clear the defect if you can convince them that you have work lights on your roof and not driving lights..

Tom.
26th February 2016, 04:37 PM
p38arover

What is the actual wording of the defect notice?
26th February 2016, 04:52 PM
frantic

Mudmouse your from the central coast so similar set up to us. Be honest most locals don't get pinged in the camping spots, it's usually tourists passing through or a tired local who lets it drift 5-10 over on a downhill run. Ditto here, bucket load of people escaping Sydney for the coast(south) and drift over a bit on a long downhill run. Go 20 min south and the roads from south of Kiama to Nowra and beyond are single lane ,with occasional overtaking areas ,and regular head ons with fatalities by risky drivers.
P.s what is their job ? To make the roads safer or raise revenue?;)
To most removing or booking a dangerous driver overtaking on double unbroken white lines is worth far more than 100 speeding fines issued for 5-15km over on straight flat double lane divided roads, is it to you?
26th February 2016, 05:41 PM
p38arover

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Originally Posted by BathurstTom

My suggestion is to take it to an authorised registration station, have them inspect the lights and get them to clear the defect if you can convince them that you have work lights on your roof and not driving lights..

Even if the defect is cleared, won't there still be a fine to pay? Are there also demerit points applicable?

The way I read the NSW RMS website, it appears it's yes to both questions.

What is to stop the car being defected again if the OP doesn't remove the lights?
26th February 2016, 06:28 PM
Lotz-A-Landies

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I had to look at the relevant ADR, 13.

I'm putting roof mounted lights on the 101.

While it may be an ADR but you also have to consider NSW Legislation. It used to be part of the now repealed Motor Traffic Act that additional headlights had to be fitted in pairs and couldn't be mounted with their centres mounted above the low beam headlamp.
This rule still applies to fog lamps

Quote:

114 Front fog lights
...<snip>
(3) A pair of front fog lights fitted to a motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels must have the centre of each light not over 400 millimetres from the nearer side of the vehicle unless the centres of the lights are at least 600 millimetres apart.
(4) If the top of the front fog light is higher than the top of any low-beam headlight on the vehicle, the centre of the fog light must not be higher than the centre of the low-beam headlight.

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragview/inforce/subordleg+522+2007+sch.2+0+N'tocnav=y

The rule the Officer is probably using is

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90 Performance of headlights
(1) When on, a headlight, or additional headlight, fitted to a vehicle must:
(a) show only white light, and
(b) project its main beam of light ahead of the vehicle.
(2) Headlights must be fitted to a vehicle so their light does not reflect off the vehicle into the driver's eyes.

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