Thread: Spot or Flood light bar up under roof rack? NSW roof light legality?

Originally Posted by andylandy

Well I went and had the vehicle inspected with the lights removed to clear the defect and the inspection station confirmed that roof lights are NOT illegal under the ADR's as per guidance to them from the RMS......so I was stopped and wrongly defected for no reason.

They did however say that there is legislation coming in very soon that will make them illegal along with any lights protruding above the bullbar....so anyone with lights or light bars above the top of the bullbar beware....it's coming......

Andy

So if its not legal fight them and get your money back for cost`s and inconvenience also a apology and good luck

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Can you point me to the appropriate legislation?

I'm not making a statement Mick, merely asking for clarification.
Using the logic that vehicles only have to obay the rules of their state of origin, do out of state vehicles in SA not have to comply with the 40 kph limit in the vicinity of emergency vehicles with operating flashing lights?

Originally Posted by V8Ian

I'm not making a statement Mick, merely asking for clarification.
Using the logic that vehicles only have to obay the rules of their state of origin, do out of state vehicles in SA not have to comply with the 40 kph limit in the vicinity of emergency vehicles with operating flashing lights?

My understanding is you have to follow the road rules.


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Whether or not your car is roadworthy can only be determined by people licensed by the registering authority, in the case of a Victorian registered vehicle, a Vicroads Licensed Vehicle Tester.

We have legislation for this in Victoria. I'm just trying to find it. I've seen it.

Here it is:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...9309/s131.html

Interstate visitors welcome.

W.A.'s current interpretation is that LED lightbars on the roof are not allowed.
QLD, they are are.
I have no data on Vic & NSW
S.A. they are, and there are moves afoot to have all states adopt the S.A. interpretation.
This could take some time as the different beauracracies look to maintain their independance.
Probably a good idea to leave them off the roof it it sorts itself out.

The whole thing about this is, there would be a national legislation on road rules, but for the fact that VIC and SA refuse to have yearly rego inspection on vehicles, so until VIC and SA agree with the other States and Territorys, nothing will happen and it will be State by State laws, this means if you are driving from one state to another and it's legal in the one you're driving from, it may not be legal in the one you have driven into, who suffers from this, only the motorist.

Originally Posted by Redback

The whole thing about this is, there would be a national legislation on road rules, but for the fact that VIC and SA refuse to have yearly rego inspection on vehicles, so until VIC and SA agree with the other States and Territorys, nothing will happen and it will be State by State laws, this means if you are driving from one state to another and it's legal in the one you're driving from, it may not be legal in the one you have driven into, who suffers from this, only the motorist.

Sorrry Baz, but I'm glad they don't follow suit and do this personally, what a PITA for absolutely nothing. Why don't the other states and Territories follow SA and Vic's lead and dump yearly rego checks?

Vicorads has said publically they won't do this as the benefits are just not there and it is just and extra cost to the consumer. Their own figures - backed up national and international studies show that unroadworthy cars are only a tiny percentage - less than one half of one percent - of the cause of road accidents. There is heaps better bang for buck options at reducing the road toll and injuries. Spending so much to reduce a 1/2 percentage to what - 1/4 percentage? with all that money?

Yes, bald tyres and dodgy brakes aren't safe and need fixing, but people cause almost all accidents, not unroadworthy cars.

Look at the amount of time and effort people in NSW go to to 'dodge' certain aspects of the system - swapping wheels with a mate, bogging up the smallest rust hole lest you suffocate on the exhause fumes (try driving a 101 with the Tilt up ) etc. There's just no point that I can see for all this. I'm not just saying this as a 'I don't have roadworthy vehciles so I think it's a crap idea' all my vechiles - including the Landrovers - are all roadwrothy, or very close to it, but it's just the extra cost it adds to the whole system - for no gain - that makes no sense and is a bad idea IMO.

And don't get me started on trailer and caravan rego in NSW...

I certainly hope Vicroads and SA stick to their guns on this one...

Sorry to unload on you mate - I'll sit back now and wait for the return fire.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Sorrry Baz, but I'm glad they don't follow suit and do this personally, what a PITA for absolutely nothing. Why don't the other states and Territories follow SA and Vic's lead and dump yearly rego checks?

Vicorads has said publically they won't do this as the benefits are just not there and it is just and extra cost to the consumer. Their own figures - backed up national and international studies show that unroadworthy cars are only a tiny percentage - less than one half of one percent - of the cause of road accidents. There is heaps better bang for buck options at reducing the road toll and injuries. Spending so much to reduce a 1/2 percentage to what - 1/4 percentage? with all that money?

Yes, bald tyres and dodgy brakes aren't safe and need fixing, but people cause almost all accidents, not unroadworthy cars.

Look at the amount of time and effort people in NSW go to to 'dodge' certain aspects of the system - swapping wheels with a mate, bogging up the smallest rust hole lest you suffocate on the exhause fumes (try driving a 101 with the Tilt up ) etc. There's just no point that I can see for all this. I'm not just saying this as a 'I don't have roadworthy vehciles so I think it's a crap idea' all my vechiles - including the Landrovers - are all roadwrothy, or very close to it, but it's just the extra cost it adds to the whole system - for no gain - that makes no sense and is a bad idea IMO.

And don't get me started on trailer and caravan rego in NSW...

I certainly hope Vicroads and SA stick to their guns on this one...

Yes. Having lived long term in both NSW and Victoria, there is no reason to believe vehicles' roadworthiness is significantly affected by annual inspections or their absence, and the statistics back this up.

Only a tiny percentage of accidents have vehicle defects as a significant factor, and of that tiny percentage the vast majority of them are tyre defects, either inflation or amount of tread. And inflation can change in a matter of hours, and tyres that have a legal amount of tread when inspected can be bald a month later - not long ago I was able to point out to the driver an illegal front tyre on a police car parked nose in in the main street of Dubbo.

The annual inspection provides a regular source of income for mechanics, and is a pain for drivers and owners, but there is no evidence to show that it enhances road safety.

Even if defective vehicles were a significant risk factor, the annual inspections would do almost nothing to improve this.

Probably the most effective regular 'inspection' would be an annual or biennial driving test, similar to that required for pilots (although there seems to be very little evidence, if any, to show that this reduces accident rates!), but this would be electorally untenable.

John

Originally Posted by JDNSW

.The annual inspection provides a regular source of income for mechanics, and is a pain for drivers and owners, but there is no evidence to show that it enhances road safety.

Pretty sure its generally a pain for mechanics too. Its an RMS fixed fee (or was last time I asked) and it takes them longer than they get paid to check the vehicle properly.

Cheers

Dan