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    Authorised LR Dealers!!

    I remember clearly now why I never touch dealers unless absolutely necessary. [Sorry, this is going to be a long one, 'cause I feel like a good old gripe!]

    Several months ago the brake lamp switch on our '97 300Tdi ABS Disco self-destructed. Managed to botch it back together enough to work until I got a genuine replacement (from the UK for less than half of what local dealers quoted, of course). But the ABS warning light has been on even since and the ABS therefore disabled. The consensus on LRE forum was that the fault needed to be reset with TestBook. So to the next problem - finding a LR dealer outside of the major coastal cities...

    We were in southern inland Qld at the time, heading slowly towards Darwin, so Mt Isa seemed like the best possibility. Except when we got there we learn that the former LR (& Holden, Mazda, etc.) dealer has gone broke and the new Holden, Mazda, etc. dealer doesn't handle LR. So there's now not one LR dealer in Qld west of Toowoomba or Cairns!

    Several months later and we arrive in Darwin, home to one of the two LR dealers in the whole NT (the other is in Alice Springs - Sutton Motors - and the only LR dealer in the country I'd give the time of day to).

    So I wait at the service counter for half an hour to speak to their LR specialist and confirm that, yes, TestBook must be used to reset a switch fault and, provided no other faults are present, the ABS light should extinguish and the ABS work OK again. Estimated cost: about 1 hour labour ~$90! Having no other choice if I want ABS ever again, I duly book in for later in the week and arrive promptly at 7:30am on the nominated day.

    Now, our Disco has a home-grown electric bonnet release and a safety catch. So, I release the catch and 'pop' the bonnet before handing over the keys and retiring to the customer waiting room ('lounge' would be a bit rich). About 15 minutes later, our Disco drives into the workshop (fortunately you can see much of the workshop from the customer 'lounge'). A few minutes later, a fellow LR owner (and his is another good story) says to me, "They seem to be having trouble getting your bonnet open". I race out there just in time to see the apprentice reef the stainless-steel cable from my safety catch to the bonnet latch right out of the grill! After a few words of extremely restrained chastisement and againpopping the bonnet for them, I return to the 'lounge'.

    For the next hour or so, various people come and go from our vehicle for short periods of time and then it is left alone for at least half an hour. (I had a good book with me.) Finally I go to the counter to ask how my job is going and, while there, our vehicle is driven out to the cark park - total time in the workshop: less than two hours. I'm told the job card is not yet back in... Some time later I receive the invoice (2 full hours labour plus $9.50 "workshop supplies", totalling over $164.00!)

    Forgetting the criminally extortionate bill for the moment, I ask the service counter person about the damage to my vehicle: blank look. No mention of any problem on the job card, of course. So I show the damaged cable to the service rep and then spend another half hour as the matter is escalated through various staff to the service supervisor. We finally agree to halve the bill. So, in the end I have my ABS back for around the cost originally estimated plus I have an hours work ahead of me to repair my bonnet catch. And a morning of seriously raised blood pressure...

    So I'm now in a quandary: Are we better off or worse off now that there are next to no LR dealers outside the coastal cities? (That is, if they're not there, they can't f-you around as often?). But is it any wonder, with dealers in just about every tin-pot country town, that Toyota is King in the bush?

    To paraphrase Douglas Adams ("Hitch Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy"): "Land Rover Australia and their dealers - a bunch of mindless jerks who’ll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes!"
    Ian &
    Leo - SIII 109/GMH3.3
    Daphne I - '97 Disco 300Tdi Manual
    Daphne II - '03 Disco Td5 Auto

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    I can really sympathise. The problem seems to be, apart from the inadequacies of the dealer you dealt with, that when they make the vehicle more dependent on technology they have a responsibility to ensure the technology is available wherever it may be needed.

    Now that is not going to happen with the dealership arrangements they have. And of course that means that less people will be inclined to use LR for serious work so there is then less support and so it goes until the whole system collapses.

    It seems to me that if they are not going to have good support facilities in place, the least they can do is to release the test book software into the public domain. Forget the bulldust that will come out about warranty compromise, misuse, etc and just let people use it or not at their own risk.

    At least then simple issues such as this can be resolved and more complex problems can be identified so that corrective/repair action can be taken.

    Maybe it is time to start putting pressure on about this. Surely the ACCC would have a view on a vehicle that is dependent upon a testbook system, that is designed for off road use, that is promoted for outback ventures and for which testbook facilities are virtually non-existent?

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    It is funny that should mention Sutton motor's in Alice. I had a problem with the ABS lights coming on on out last trip in June. I knew it was caused by me having to change a rear airbag on the way and that it only needed a testbook reset to fix it but I had no ABS or TC in the mean time.
    I went to Sutton motors in Alice and they "said" (unfortunately not quoted) 1 hour - $85. It was a lot but worth it to get it going and get rid of the annoying lights. They asked if I could leave it with them for the day which was not a problem. Went back to pick it up.......$170!!! 8O

    I argued that they had said $85 but was told this was just an estimate. Unfortunatley when you need to pack to leave first thing in the morning there is not a lot you can do so I paid and would never go back again.

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    When I had my DiscoII I needed to get Testbook to switch on the electric windscreen heater gear. (I installed a relay and switch to the already installed heated screen.)
    I went to the Toowoomba LR Dealer, the Service Manager took me with him, hooked up testbook, spent 5 mins searching for the correct page or whatever, pushed a button and presto. No charge, windscreen heater manual button etc working.
    Why the heck do they need a day or even 1 hour to do this reset busuiness.
    It is a rip off and should not be tolerated. The guy that did my chip install had a handheld something and communicated with the Defender ECU to enter the engine number and injector codes.
    The gear is out there.
    I'll bet the Auto Tune Centres have something that can converse with the car.

    Trev.

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    Adam,

    Sorry to hear of Sutton's also engaging in dodgy practice. We spent about 12 months in Alice and I had a good run with them.

    Never took to Terry Sutton, the manager (but then he is also the salesman and they do sell used cars - 'nuf said), but Ivan, the part-time parts man at that time was very helpful. For example, he bought out their viscous fan spanner and removed my fan so I could replace the "P" gasket - and then put it back on again a few days later, no charge.

    Terry's brother, the service manager (whose name escapes me just now), also seemed to be a pretty straight operator. I have no complaints about the major job he did for me: rear main seal, new clutch kit and fixed numerous gearbox and t'case weeps. I now have an oil tight transmission for the first time since owning it. Mind you, it wasn't cheap but I did get what I paid for from them.
    Ian &
    Leo - SIII 109/GMH3.3
    Daphne I - '97 Disco 300Tdi Manual
    Daphne II - '03 Disco Td5 Auto

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    Dealers ,,,,,,,,,,,AARRRGGGGHHH 8O ops: :?:

    Excuse th structure of the rave to follow,,,, cant be bothered with diction, sorry ops:

    My SEP01 disco has been off the road for warranty, all up when combined, for over 9 months! not because it is a bucket(I actually love my bomb)..... But directly down to dealer stuff ups.
    I have dealt with Nine differant dealers and have only found one, at Mooloolaba, that was at least honest and a little interested in Landrovers.

    DARWIN , earlier this year having just done Weipa to Adelaide to Alice to Tanami to Gibb river Road to Darwin, and towing my van,,, I asked Darwin LR to have a real good look at my LR because it had just worked pretty hard and was about to stick to the dirt Darwin to Weipa,,,,I acknowledged that I will pay extra to have them pay particular attention.

    Full day later I pay my money, while paying I ask to have another air filter for the dusty trip home,,The office girl rings spare parts,, "OOPS two types! what do you want",

    I say check the parts list on the bill you just serviced my vehicle. She say "good idea,OOPS not listed"

    I say my VIN number is .......... the LR computor will tell you my requirement. She say good idea, spare parts say all to hard.

    I say lets go get it off the new one in my car. She say good idea. I pull air box lid and remove filter. She standing down wind gets covered in dust and says OOPS. I say #@*&#$@(^%##^$# , She say OOPS.

    I look over the car and say ^%$#%$@^ :roll: lets go talk to boss. she say OOPS. I say your not *&^$$%# kidding.

    The car had had grease dolloped on the latches and that was about it, not even the oil changed, no diff plugs removed , no gearbox plugs removed, the wheels had not been removed to check brakes etc.

    All the paperwork was sined just none of the work done. I can only guess they banked on me just jumping in and getting on with my trip, ignorant to the rip off. Perhps they thought a Thousand kms of dust later and it would have been hard for me to notice.

    The most angering thing was that there was no surprise or shame from the boss, just indifferance.

    I think we should all ring customer care every single time a LR dealer stuffs us around........they are getting away with murder and a good vehicle is struggling to sell because of it. 8O

    As for dealer coverage, You would think that now Ford owns the company, that they would piggy back all the ford dealers around the country and make the owners, if nothing else, feel secure. The test book retail cost is up there, 8O but it would not cost the company very much at all to fund one test book in each major Ford frasnchise, at least one in each major regional area.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I think we should all ring customer care every single time a LR dealer stuffs us around........they are getting away with murder and a good vehicle is struggling to sell because of it.[/b][/quote]

    I totally agree. But there is just one problem.....Customer care don't give a stuff either.....as a matter of fact I don't even think LRA care.

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