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    DiscoUser Guest

    IT WON'T START

    Good morning all,

    You know me from my input about a head gasket job recentl.y posted on this site. Well, the story goes like this:-

    The head was serviced and valves reseated, there was an 18 thou warp in the head which was machined out.

    I re assembled the head EXACTLY as per the LR Manual (300Tdi) but come to starting yesterday NOTHING.

    Now I have checked the function of the glow plugs and they're OK and recently installed replacements. They all glow when put across a battery supply, added to which when first switching on the voltage of the battery falls until the glow plug illumination extinguishes on the dash panel.

    I disconnected each Injector supply line and turned the engine over. All I got was a teaspoon full of diesel from each line sequuentially with the timing of the firing order.

    Shouldn't I be getting a Vey HIGH Pressured output from each line to the injectors on start up.??

    I think I may have (again!!!) an air lock in the injector pump but How do I get the air out without trucking the car (Yet again!!) to a diesel specialist.

    I was on the way to filling up with coolant and checking for leaks but I've only got this far.

    BTW In the last 60,000Kms the car has had:- New injector pump, new injectors, new fuel pump, new vacuum pump, new power steering pump, new glow plugs, new alternator. new timing belt and gears, new springs and shocks all round.

    As far as reliability (presently 230,000Kms) is concerned this would rate at about 2/10 and I'm thoroughly P####D off!! Surely the car can stand for 2 weeks and still keep the fuel in the injector pump?? That is if this is the fault this time!!

    Needless to say I'm asking for some help before I really take the axe to this thing is desperation.

    I'm willing to pay for someone to assist but NO I do not trust garages after having had previous experience and think I can do most of the repairs myself if they're straightforward enough.

    Thanks gents, I feel better already having put my moans on the site.

    Disco User. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]

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    morning!
    i dont personally own an oiler but my days are spent maintaing
    diesel hire equipment.
    when you are winding the car over(with it all together) does any
    white smoke come out the exhaust? this is a sign that there is fuel
    being compressed in the cylinders.

    all the injecton pumps i play with 90% of the time self blead if you crack the injectors. on the 10% that dont (bloody 3cly perkins) there are 2 little bleed screws on the pump body. after these are cracked all is good.

    it also could be something to do with valve timing or maybe the valves arnt sealing??
    i had a head of a L300 mitisy that went to a reco shop(one i used to work for) they shaved the head installed new valves(changed the previous valve height) and didnt cut the .020'' of the rocker posts, giving me 8 valves that didnt seat???

    keep trying
    phil.

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    Originally posted by DiscoUser
    Shouldn't I be getting a Very HIGH Pressured output from each line to the injectors on start up.??

    I think I may have (again!!!) an air lock in the injector pump but How do I get the air out without trucking the car (Yet again!!) to a diesel specialist...

    ...Surely the car can stand for 2 weeks and still keep the fuel in the injector pump?? That is if this is the fault this time!!
    I don't think you'll get a high pressure jet from an open injector pipe, as there's no resistance to flow to build up any pressure. If you were to re-connect an injector to the pipe, you should be able to check the high pressure spray pattern. This needs to be done with great care - diesel injection pressures are not to be triffled with! Wear safety glases or preferrably goggles and put the injector tip into a small bucket. Do not under any circumstances have your hands/fingers or face anywhere near the injector tip when cranking.

    If there's no strong spray pattern, then I think you're on the right track about air in the system. And if there's an air leak in the system around the pump then, yes, it will drain back over a two week period.

    I'd start by methodically checking every joint in the fuel lines to and from the lift pump, filter and injector pump. Make sure all joints are firmly tightened (but don't over do it - banjo fittings aren't all that strong). And all the flexible lines are undamaged.

    When satisfied that all is well, then start bleeding the system using the lever on the lift pump. First remove the bleed screw from the top of the filter housing and pump until fuel flows freely from the bleed hole. Replace the filter bleed screw and then loosen the banjo bolt at the back of the injection pump, just below the manifold pressure compensator. This should be a double banjo fitting which connects the pump return port and the return line from no.1 injector to the return line back to the fuel tank. Continue hand priming until a steady flow of fuel comes from the loosened fitting - this ensures the pump body is full. Re-tighten this fitting and try the spray pattern test again. Or just try to start it. If all is working properly (including valve and pump timing correct?), the pump should fill the injectors and pipes with a few seconds of cranking.
    Ian &
    Leo - SIII 109/GMH3.3
    Daphne I - '97 Disco 300Tdi Manual
    Daphne II - '03 Disco Td5 Auto

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    Hellspawn Guest
    Did you measure the block for warpage across the face or whether the machinist set the head up right and it's square ?

    My thinking would be, the head is now square but the block is warped with the gasket not thick enough to seal the new gap.

    It's not overhead cam so timing can't be out by removing/installing the head.

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