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    Help - sealing exhaust horns

    I've fitted an Allisport VNT to my 300Tdi Defender.

    The exhaust horns from the original exhaust are supposed to press in.

    They are a loose fit, in that they're firm, but not super tight. Also when they go in, they don't "sit home" in the recess, with the pipe ends butting against the manifold, if I pushed them all the way in the exhaust studs wouldn't line up.

    I get exhaust leak past the horns and the annoying whistle under speed/load.

    I've tried :

    - liquid metal
    - other horns
    - contacting the manufacturer/ supplier (apparently they've never heard of this problem before and can't offer help)
    - Stag Paste (suggested by a turbo rebuilder (even though it's only rated to 80.C)
    - Loctitite Copper High Temp sealant (rated to 300.C)
    - Furnace sealant (rated to 1200.C)


    for the latter it was suggested I use a ball-pein hammer on each edge to make a tighter fit. This made it tighter, I also put the 1200.C sealant on the outside with a single wrap of exhaust tape to created a barrier to the sealant getting blown out, and secured it with a metal cable tie.

    I've allowed curing time for all the sealant applications.

    Does anyone know what to do?


    the gap is too small for a shim.
    - a washer to seal the inside so that it presses home was ruled out by a couple of engineers, as it might expand at a different rate and crack the cast.

    = machining a groove and fitting a compression ring has been another suggestion.

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    Older motorbikes used copper crush washers on their exhaust headers. IIRC they had some sort of fibre inside to make them a bit more crushable(probably asbestos in those days!!).
    Maybe something like that inside (although having it disintegrate and go through the turbo would be a concern).

    A groove and compression ring (or 2 rings so the gaps didn't align) like some turbo housings have would be great, but finding the right size rings or getting some made up would likely be a pain.
    A small groove with a wrap of annealed copper wire might be enough to do the trick. You could wind a circle of wire then flatten it with a hammer/roller to make more of a strip than a round profile. Ideally taper the ends so they overlap. Taper the start of the bore of the turbo housing slightly so the copper compresses as you press the horn in.

    How about building the horns up with bronze or a nickel arc rod and machining to a tighter fit. Years ago you used to be able to get shafts built up with flame spraying but I've no idea if that sort of process is still around.

    Got to say though, sounds like an issue with your turbo housing since you've tried other horns with same result.
    Regardless of the manufacturer saying they've never had the issue and can't help, I'd be asking them to provide the dimension and tolerance of that bore. If yours doesn't meet that dimension I'd say its pretty cut and dried that its a manufacturing defect.

    Steve
    1985 County - Isuzu 4bd1 with HX30W turbo, LT95, 255/85-16 KM2's
    1988 120 with rust and potential
    1999 300tdi 130 single cab - "stock as bro"
    2003 D2a Td5 - the boss's daily drive

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    Could you make a gasket out of copper wire? I have done this in the past. Using copper electrical wire with the PVC cover removed, form a toroid by wrapping it around itself many times. When installed, this will crush and form into place.

    Aaron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael2 View Post
    I get exhaust leak past the horns and the annoying whistle under speed/load.
    You may have already addressed this, but a few years back I was chasing a whistle after replacing the turbo and central section of manifold. The manifold horns did seem loose, at the same time I replaced the intercooler hoses with new silicone ones. Spent ages looking for the whistle at the manifold, but it went away after I finally replaced the hoses again. Must have been a pin hole in one that only opened up under load, completely undetectable to the eye.

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