check out the 6l90e ratios cam, they look pretty good. you go first so i can cruise in your wake
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check out the 6l90e ratios cam, they look pretty good. you go first so i can cruise in your wake
The other thing is the comparatively low governed speed I suppose. Doing some reading the SCR is an AdBlue system - so there's that to take into account, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northy
Definitely food for thought
Cammo, where are you getting the SCR/adblue info from? I didn't come across that in the Cummins literature. I read the ISF3.8 is Euro IV emissions compliant, the ISF2.8 in the Foton is Euro V emissions compliant. I may be very wrong but i understood Adblue was (generally) introduced to meet Euro VI emissions. I'd want less invasive systems not more which is why the Cummins is attractive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cammo
in answer to your earlier Q about a cooled EGR, a quick search on Alibaba has for sale an EGR cooler that looks to be water cooled. Maybe a Sat arvo in the shed to fit an EGR blanking kit and terminate the cooling hoses or redirect those hoses to a hot water shower for the loving wife.
Mark,
Info from Cummins Australia ISF brochure (.pdf)
Lists SCR as a means of emission control and goes on to explain SCR in all its AdBlue glory on page 2.
Not sure if its on all of them or for what application or anything - might be panicking about nothing - but AdBlue would kill the option off for me I reckon.
That is, of course, if it cannot be easily omitted from the install.
I did go through a small stage of weakness where I thought I might've fancied an LS3 swap. Or one of the smaller capacity LS derivatives they use in any number of "pick-ups" over there in 'merica. I still think I fancy an LS'd Rover - just not for touring duty.
I told you that story as a long winded way of introducing you to another Cummins alternative - the ISV. I know less than nothing about it except that it is allegedly USA built, and is a 5.0L V8 turbo diesel found under the hood of a Nissan Titan.
I need to win lotto...
PS: sorry for thread highjack ref ISV.
Hi Cammo - I hadn't come across the AU Cummins info which differs to the USA material by referencing SCR (omitted in the USA material). That info changes my earlier info on emissions as the Adblue (SCR) on the AU delivery engines brings emissions in line with the current AU emissions standards. Good news for those with younger than 2013 vehicles, for older than 2013 vehicles I think you would get away with the crate engine out of China that is Euro IV compliant (no SCR) (noting that ADR79-02 applied up to 1 Nov 2013 which is a hybrid of Euro IV in its transition to Euro V).
If you jump on Cummins USA website they are taking a poll on what engine to next release as a crate engine. The ISV 5.0 V8 diesel would be a treat but $$$$. At 800nm in standard tune you are rebuilding everything in the drive line to handle the extra torque. Makes it an expensive exercise.
Maybe some fire chat for LR expo next month.
Hey Mark,Quote:
Originally Posted by MLD
As stated, as long as there's no SCR, I'd still be interested in the ISF from a practical, sensible point of view. The ISV WOULD be a treat but agree with rebuilding the driveline to handle the torque. Hence my comment regarding the lotto win..
I wonder if it can be "detuned"? The thought of cubes distributed evenly between 8 cylinders makes my inner, highly suppressed revhead tingle at the mere imagination of the symphony..
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I saw this yesterday
Don.
Some how i made it onto Cummins email list. Some info they sent by email. Now we just need them to release the 3.8 as a crate package.
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The ISF3.8 with a 6L90 behind it would be so torquey and slip into the next gear before it needs to rev, that performance, waftiness and fuel economy would be excellent.
Cummins engines are also easy to tune, as far as i am aware you just get a guy with a cummins computer to turn up the wick.
If you fit a free flowing exhaust and disable any egr, you should get better than 125/600 without increasing engine stresses, might get 150kw/700nm. Chances are a std motor will last longer than needed, so why not go further if the drivetrain can handle it. 165kw and 750nm might be easy peasy.
The four pot should give significantly better economy than the 5.0LV8 cummins engine by virtue of configuration, but the 5.0L should have better NVH?