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    TDI300 - Specific timing belt kit requirements?

    Hi all, Currently doing my first timing belt replacement 97 Disco TDI Auto. Has 110K km on a 'new motor'.

    Progressed ok to date with a few extra hours required for the crank bolt and drive plate inpection cover removal...but all good now.

    However when I got the timing cover off I notice the crank gear pulley is the one without the shoulders and the tensioner pulley does have the shoulders.

    I ordered the kit for the later model where it has shoulders on the crank pulley etc but not on tensioner - kit # STC4096L. My question is can I use this kit still?
    Relevant info is that the engine in it in NOT the original, previous owner cooked it and replaced with a brand new engine. I believe this may have come from LRA or overseas? It has a 19L block prefix.

    Any advice appreciated.

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    yes you can use the kit you have purchased as long as you have all three pulleys.
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    Tensioner's don't have shoulders only the crank pulley should.
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    Can't comment on the block prefix.

    Have used the kit you describe on vehicles from 1994 to 2007.

    See if anyone comments on your block specifically requiring shoulders on the tension roller - maybe it makes fitting the belt a little easier compared to having shoulders on the crank pulley?

    Go easy on torquing the tensioner securing bolt - torque wrench specs only - suspect previous owner on one of my vehicles over did things, so when I did the service using torque specs the alloy thread let go. Fortunately the hole that was left suited tapping to the next size and the pulley was able to take the next size bolt, but not a nice feeling when it happens.

    Also make sure the o-ring seats itself properly in the recess in the back of the crank pulley.

    Don't locktite the crank bolt. Use the correct torquing procedure.

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    Thanks for info all that is great to hear that I can use the 4096L gears and belt. Here are a cpl of pics of what is there...looks ok? The paint markers are mine from Black Knights advice tutorial etc.

    Thanks also for advice on shroud etc. Radiator is out and getting a precautionary tanks off and clean type inspection.



    discoBelt2.jpg
    discoBelt3.jpg

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    Its worth putting anti seize on the crank pulley, going onto the crank makes it easier coming off next time

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    Other interesting find is that this is the first timing belt change. I know this engine had only done about 30K km from a 'brand new' installation (from detail logs and receipts previous owner gave me when I got it, having cooked it bigtime). So now at 110Km this will be the first timing belt. What is surprising is that with a new/reco engine in 2011 or whenever the old style pulleys were fitted. I would have thought these had been superceded many years before then. Also when I got the belt off it is stamped Land Rover. Wonder if it was a old factory donk sitting in a warehouse somewhere?? May explain why it goes relatively good for an old TDI with great economy and oil stays very clean between changes.

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    That engine configuration is interesting insofar as mine is a late 1996 build, engine no. 18L2****A.
    It has the revised IP brackets, hole chamfers for the idler assemblies. no flanges on idler pulley with spot welded flanges on the crankshaft pulley.
    Like any good tdi, mine pulls like a train, keeps the oil relatively clean and if the outlet pipe from the cyclonic oil separator is removed no blowby visible from the warm engine.
    This one stays with me for my duration.
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    Ugghh...minor edit to my first post, should read 1994 to 1997 (not 2007).

    Would be interested to know if LRover ever detailed exactly was causing timing belt walk off, after trying changes to cogs, to torque on belt tensioner, to injector pump bracket, to clam shell strengthening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llandro View Post
    That engine configuration is interesting insofar as mine is a late 1996 build, engine no. 18L2****A.
    It has the revised IP brackets, hole chamfers for the idler assemblies. no flanges on idler pulley with spot welded flanges on the crankshaft pulley.

    Mike
    Ah ok, that is good info and would make sense from the various forum info I have read here and in UK, I am reasonably confident the 19L block I have is a 1995 to mid 1996 build. Has none of the fixes/updated bits at all from what I can see...no chamfers, case, pulleys etc, this would be consistent to its age. The 19L is apparently an 'Auto EDC with EGR' block. So not sure if it come from UK? The diesel shop that fitted it is no longer in business so cannot follow up that way. According to the LR info, for my VIN, the original motor would have been similar to yours.

    I am not planning to chamfer the holes/change case etc for now. Has a bit of wear dust in case housing but otherwise belt looks in great condition...no real visible wear compared to new Dayco version I am putting in. Will just do pulley and belt change to the new type per option 2 kit, as well as new crank pulley O-ring ERR4710, inner oil seal ERR4575 and early version outer dust seal ERR4576.

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