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The territory box is a ford copy of a zf (6r80) but is it the same as used in the falcon ? Wondering how much a difference there is to a genuine zf box.

Originally Posted by loanrangie

The territory box is a ford copy of a zf (6r80) but is it the same as used in the falcon ? Wondering how much a difference there is to a genuine zf box.

From the 'Net....

Sydney Morning Herald - 1 April 2005

Ford will have the most technically advanced automatic transmission in an Australian-made car when an updated Falcon goes on sale in October.
In a major coup, Ford's performance and luxury models will be available with a six-speed automatic transmission - the first time such a gearbox has been fitted to a locally made car.
Significantly, Ford will leapfrog Holden, which amid much fanfare late last year released a five-speed automatic gearbox for its V6-powered performance and luxury models.
The Falcon's six-speed automatic is being sourced from the respected German transmission specialist, ZF.
Ford Australia will not confirm what changes, if any, are to be made to the Falcon later this year to bring the range into line with the latest emission standards, as well as to give it a visual freshen-up before Holden releases an all-new Commodore in March next year. (An all-new Falcon is not due until 2007).

A number of Ford Falcon GTs with German number plates have been spotted in the car park at ZF's German head office and Drive's European sources have confirmed they are being tested with the new six-speed transmission.
The Falcon's six-speed automatic will be far more expensive than the humble four-speed auto it replaces.
For this reason, Drive understands the six-speed will be reserved for the upstream models such as the Fairmont Ghia, Fairlane and LTD and the performance models such as the XR6 Turbo, Typhoon, XR8 (pictured) and GT. It is expected the rest of the range will retain the four-speed auto.

Other makers to use the Falcon's new six-speed automatic include Jaguar and Aston Martin - brands owned by Ford's luxury division, the Premier Automotive Group.
Drive believes that Ford has used its enormous buying power to lower the costs and enable such an expensive and technically advanced gearbox to be fitted to Falcons.

Ford was forced to fit an expensive ZF gearbox because no other automatic could comfortably and reliably handle the huge power outputs of Ford's latest range of engines.
The shift to a ZF gearbox is certain to take Holden by surprise, in more ways than one: first, that Ford is prepared to get such an exotic transmission and, second, that it can afford it.
Ever since the disaster that was the AU Falcon, Ford has adopted a policy to be a technical leader wherever possible. The AU Falcon was built to a price - and it showed - while the BA was built to a higher standard of excellence at a substantial cost.
Fortunately, Ford's investment has been rewarded with stronger Falcon sales, although the company says there is still room for improvement on the sales charts.
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From motoring.com.au - August 13 2013 regarding the "new" Falcon line.....

Tipped to be dubbed ‘FH’, the update of the FG Falcon will go on-sale in the third quarter of 2014 and will be the last before the nameplate is killed off and local Ford manufacturing ceases no later than October 2016.
All six-cylinder cars will get Ford’s China-sourced ZF six-speed automatic transmission from the EcoBoost Falcon, although the current high-torque six-speed ZF auto carries on in XR6 Turbo and supercharged Miami V8s.
ZF will stop producing the latter soon and Ford Australia is stockpiling them rather than investing in local development of the eight-speed ZF unit that replaces it. As such, Ford Australia is currently calculating how many high-torque ZFs it will need until Falcon production ends.
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From Wikipedia (ZF 6HP transmissions) .....

The ZF 6HP was the first six-speed automatic transmission in a production passenger car. Released as the 6HP26 by ZF Friedrichshafen in 2000, it was manufactured by ZF Getriebe GmbH in Saarbrücken, Germany. Other variations of the first generation 6HP in addition to the 6HP26, were 6HP19, and 6HP32 having lower and higher torque capacity, respectively.

In 2007, the second generation of the 6HP series was introduced, with models 6HP21 and 6HP28. A 6HP34 was planned, but never went into production.

The 6HP uses a Lepelletier epicyclic/planetary gearset, which can provide more gear ratios with significantly fewer components. This means the 6HP26 is actually lighter than its five-speed 5HP predecessors. It also has the capability to achieve torque converter lock-up on all six forward gears, and disengage it completely when at a standstill, dramatically closing the fuel efficiency gap between automatic and manual transmissions.

6HP26
The 6HP26 was the original variation of the 6HP, released in 2000. It was rated for a maximum input torque of 600 newton metres (443 lbf⋅ft). It was first used by the BMW 7 Series (E65) in 2001. Initially reserved for high end luxury and sports cars, ZF made the 6HP26 available to Hyundai for use on its 2009 model year V8 Genesis.

Several versions of the 6HP26 are available depending on application and brand: 6HP26, 6HP26A and 6HP26X.

Applications
Ford has developed their own versions (6R60 and 6R80) based on the 6HP26. Therefore, certain Ford vehicles will not be listed.

Two-wheel drive version:

2001–2008 BMW 7 Series (E65)[3] 730i, 735i, 745i, 760i, 730d and 740d
2002–2005 Jaguar XK8/XKR (X100)
2003–2012 Aston Martin DB9
2003–2010 BMW 5 Series (E60)
2003–2010 BMW 6 Series (E63)
2009–2012 Hyundai Genesis Sedan 4.6 liter V8
2003–2008 Jaguar S-Type
2003–2009 Jaguar XJ (X350)
2003–2012 Rolls-Royce Phantom
2004–2006 BMW X5 (E53) V8
2005–2011 BMW 3 Series (E90)
2005–2016 Ford Falcon (BF,[7] FG,[8] FG X turbocharged inline-six and V8)[2] Although production of the transmission ended in 2014, Ford retained sufficient inventory to last until end of Falcon production in 2016.
2005–2014 Ford Territory (SY AWD;[9] SZ petrol)
2006–2010 Jaguar XK/XKR (X150)
2007–2013 BMW X5 (E70), except 4.0d
2007–2012 Maserati Quattroporte
2007–present Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupé
2008–2012 Aston Martin DBS V12
2008–2012 BMW 7 Series (F01), except 740d xDrive, 760i/Li and Hybrid 7
2008–2011 Kia Mohave
2008–2012 Jaguar XF (X250)
2006–2009 Bentley Arnage
2008–2011 Bentley Brooklands
2010–2014 Aston Martin Rapide
2011 Hyundai Equus
2011-2012 Aston Martin Virage
2012-2014 Aston Martin Vanquish
6HP26A
The 6HP26A is a variation of the 6HP26 for four-wheel drive applications. It was used by the Volkswagen Group for some permanent four-wheel drive models.

Applications
2002–2016 Volkswagen Phaeton (Typ 3D)
2003–2009 Audi A8 (D3, Typ 4E)
2006–2009 Audi S8 (D3, Typ 4E)
2003–present Bentley Continental GT
2005–present Bentley Continental Flying Spur
2006–2011 Audi S6 (C6, Typ 4F)
2008–2010 Audi RS6 (C6, Typ 4F)
6HP26X
The 6HP26X is another variation of the 6HP26, also for four-wheel drive applications. This transmission is suitable for 4WDs with a separate transfer box (the "X" stands for external 4WD).

Applications
2006–2013 Range Rover, all with Jaguar type engines or TDV8
2006–2013 Range Rover Sport, 4.4- and 5.0-litre AJV8 models
2005–2013 Land Rover Discovery
2007 BMW X3 (E83) 3.0d (some models)
2005–2011 BMW 330d (E90/91) Xdrive

The last 6HP automatic transmission was produced by the Saarbrücken plant in March 2014 after 7,050,232 units were produced. The ZF plant in Shanghai continued to produce the 6HP for the Chinese market.
6HP21
The 6HP21 was a low-torque variation of the 6HP produced in China.
Applications
2014–2016 Ford Falcon (FG X inline-four and naturally-aspirated inline-six)
2014–2016 Ford Territory (SZ II petrol)
2010-2012 BMW 320d Lci (Thailand) (Engine N47D20)
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And an update from Wikipedia (Ford 6R transmissions).....

The Ford 6R80 is based on the ZF 6HP26 6 speed automatic transmission. Ford manufactures the transmission under license from ZF at the Livonia Transmission Plant in Livonia, Michigan. The 6R80 is featured in 2009 to present Ford F-150 pickups. It features torque converter lockup capabilities in all 6 gears and an integrated "Tow/Haul" mode for enhanced engine braking and towing performance. For the 2011 model year, the transmission was revised to provide smoother shifts, improved fuel economy, and overall better shift performance. Most notable of the improvements was the addition of a 1 way clutch that provided smoother 1-2 up-shifts and 2-1 down-shifts. The transmission has a relatively low 1st gear and two overdrive gears, the highest of which is 0.69:1. This provides exceptional towing performance when needed, while maximizing fuel economy by offering low engine speeds while cruising.

The 6R80 can be found behind the 3.7L V-6 all the way up to the 6.2L V-8. Ford has stated that while the transmission is used in multiple applications, each transmission is optimized and integrated differently depending on the engine it is mated to. The 6R80 features "Filled for Life" low viscosity synthetic transmission fluid (MERCON LV), though a fluid flush is recommended at 150,000 miles if your truck falls under the classification of "Severe Duty" operation. The transmission, as used in the Ford F-150, has a fluid capacity of 13.1 quarts and weighs 215 lbs

Applications:

2009–present Ford F-150
2009–present Ford Expedition
2009–present Lincoln Navigator
2011–2016 Ford Territory (SZ TCDi)
2011-2017 Ford Mustang V6, GT, Ecoboost(15-17)
2011-present Ford Ranger 2.2L, 3.2L
2015-present Ford Transit
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Originally Posted by loanrangie

The territory box is a ford copy of a zf (6r80) but is it the same as used in the falcon ? Wondering how much a difference there is to a genuine zf box.

Territory petrol is ZF, diesel is 6R80 (same as the Ranger) as in the above post.
6R80 uses Mercon LV which is a lot cheaper than Lifeguard 6.

Colin

One of the main contributors to the formulation is the type of friction material used in the clutches.
This determines the fiction modifiers used.
Them if any strange wear things happen the AW and EP components are altered, etc.

Back in the old days of the TH400 vs Ford's C4 the friction characteristics were almost opposite.
Strangely the C6 used GM Dex II or III!

My local Repco recommended Penrite ATF BMV as a suitable alternative to LG6

The following is from the Penrite blurb.
The TYK500050 is the Landrover part # for LG6
ATF BMV (Full Syn) | Penrite Oil



"ATF BMV is a highly advanced, low viscosity, Full Synthetic, multi vehicle automatic transmission fluid designed for the latest generation of European, Asian and US sourced Automatic Transmissions. It utilises the latest Additive technology for optimum performance, durability and shift quality in modern multi-speed automatic transmissions.

APPLICATIONS
ATF BMV is suitable for long drain use in 5 + speed automatic transmissions in passenger cars, 4WDs and Light Duty commercial vehicles.

ATF BMV may be used in ZF 6, 8 and 9 speed automatic transmissions where Lifeguard 6, 8 & 9 is recommended in vehicles such as

Alfa Romeo Aston Martin Audi Bentley BMW Chrysler
Citroen Dodge Fiat Ford Honda Hyundai
Iveco Jaguar Jeep Kia Land Rover Maserati
Ram Rolls Royce Volkswagen and many others
ATF BMV can also be used in Mercedes Benz and Chrysler vehicles where MB 236.10, MB 236.11, MB 236.12, MB 236.13, and MB 236.14 are specified in Mercedes Benz 5 speed W5A 580 / NAG1, NAG2V Sport Transmissions and 7 G-Tronic models W7A 700 / NAG2.

Note: Not for use in 722.9, NAG2FE applications or where MB 236.15 or MB 236.16 is specified.

ATF BMV may be used in Ford Falcon BF-FG series 6 Speed automatic transmissions where MERCON®-SP is specified as well as in the 6R80 6 speed transmissions used in Ford PX Ranger and Mazda BT50 models. It can also be used in BMW X5, 5/6 and 7 series, Aston Martin DBS/DB9, Jaguar XK8, XKR, S Type and in Chrysler 300 series, Jeep Grand Cherokee and Cherokee series that use ZF 8 and 9 speed automatic transmissions as well as many other vehicles.

REPLACES OEM PART NUMBERS
Audi TL 52533 (G052 533), G055 005 A1/A2/A6, G 060 162 A1/A2/A6 ATF
Bentley PY112995PA
BMW PY112995PA, 8322 0142516, 8322 2152426
Chrysler Part No. 68157995AA, 68218925GA
Citroen Z000169756
Hyundai Oil No. 040000C90SG
Jaguar Part Number 02JDE 26444, JLM20238, Fluid 8432
Land Rover Part No. LR023288, TYK500050
Maserati 231603
Mercedes Benz A0019892203
Porsche 999.917.547.00
VW Part No. G 060 162 A1/A2/A6 ATF, G055 005 A1/A2/A6, VW TL 52533 (G052 533)
ZF No. S671 090 255 (Lifeguard 6), ZF No. S671 090 (Lifeguard 8), ZF No. AA01.500.001 (Lifeguard 9)
ATF BMV is also suitable for Power Steering systems requiring a low viscosity automatic transmission fluid as well as rotary vane and screw type compressors and Hydraulic systems requiring an ISO 32 oil.

Please Note: Not for use in Dual Clutch Transmissions (DCT) or Continuously Variable Transmissions (CVT). Please refer to Penrite Recommendation Guide."

They are all coming out of the woodwork now . Lifeguard 5 and 6

Originally Posted by theelms66

They are all coming out of the woodwork now . Lifeguard 5 and 6

That was around about 5years ago as an alternative to LG6 and its use as an option for LG6 was withdrawn - on the assumptions that problems cropped up. There are a few threads on this.

I would be wary if it is back on the market as an alternative to LG6.

You can get LG6 in bulk from ZF for about $23 a litre and in 1 litre bottles from Repco for about $28 when on special. Really in the life of the gearbox the cost is not a lot more.

garry

Don't know if still around .came up on supercheap website.