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    start v deep cycle battery running engle - test

    i started a test on the abovementioned this morning in prep for six days camping at easter.

    background - the 3 way fridge in my poptop van failed a couple of months ago and as it was 26 years old and it having broken down for the second time in 12 months i decided to dump it.

    the solution - as i have two engles i thought i would set one up in the van and use two spare start batteries i have had sitting around. i have wired them all in place along with a 65W solar panel.

    the plan - as we are driving around during the day - leave the van fridge run off the two start batteries with the help of the solar panel. than everytime we are back at the campsite i will connect the van to the defender so that the two start batteries will be given a helping hand by the to deep cycle batteries in the defender. the defender wil also have a fridge

    the outcome - as we normally go for a drive everyday i'm figuring the setup will work as i had the two engle running in the defender on my simpson trip.

    the reason - its a pain going from the van to the defender to get food/drinks etc aong with i cannot justify buying deep cycles that are going to sit in the van all year and only get used a few times

    has anybody ever run a fridge using a start battery???

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    I have run a Waeco 80 litre off of a starting battery, but honestly not with much success. It worked great during the day whilst driving, and kept up quite easily. But when I stopped at night, it would drain the battery quite easily. (the battery is 830CCA).

    After around 5 days on the road, I was waking up to a flat battery every morning - which gets really bloody annoying!

    Personally, I would always recommend a deep cycle for running of accessories such as a fridge, whilst I recommend the opposite for winches!

    Cheers
    Chris

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    <span style="color:darkred">a "start" battery will run a fridge the same as deep cycle will....


    the difference is....if you flatten a start battery a few times you will greatly
    reduce its service life.....
    whereas a deep cycle battery will take getting deep discharged more than a start battery....

    but deep discharging will shorten the life of that too.....
    you need to try and avoid sending batteries flat for them to last longer....

    the idea of a second battery is only so if/when you send it flat....
    you in theory still have a good battery to start the car with in the morning....

    drivesafe will probably be able to explain this better than me....
    (as i am hopeless with words).....



    a tip is to turn down the fridges at night (or even turn them right off in cold weather)
    to save power....they dont get opened at night (unless you sleep walk)
    so they stay cold....


    if you are drawing enough power to flatten a start battery....
    chances are you will flatten your deep cycle battery if you had it connected instead....
    but you just wont know about it as you wont try to run a starter motor off it in the morning....</span>

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    [quote=DEFENDERZOOK]

    drivesafe will probably be able to explain this better than me....
    (as i am hopeless with words).....

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    dont be so hard on yourself,,
    made perfect sense to me
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    [quote=Pedro_The_Swift]
    Quote Originally Posted by DEFENDERZOOK

    drivesafe will probably be able to explain this better than me....
    (as i am hopeless with words).....

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    dont be so hard on yourself,,
    made perfect sense to me

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    takes one to understand one......</span>

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    Originally posted by cewilson
    I have run a Waeco 80 litre off of a starting battery, but honestly not with much success. It worked great during the day whilst driving, and kept up quite easily. But when I stopped at night, it would drain the battery quite easily. (the battery is 830CCA).

    After around 5 days on the road, I was waking up to a flat battery every morning - which gets really bloody annoying!

    Personally, I would always recommend a deep cycle for running of accessories such as a fridge, whilst I recommend the opposite for winches!

    Cheers
    Chris
    I have run our 40l Engel off our defender battery quite a few times without problems. I'm not sure if it is a deep cycle or not (it is what came with the car) but it has never looked like going flat. Something is fish here
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    Something puzzles me...

    My Waeco has a cut off switch that can be set to one of three settings so than when the battery drops below the set limit the fridge will switch off.

    So regardless of whether I have a deep cycle battery or a cranking battery I can never drain the battery below that limit. Therefore for me a deep cycle is not an option because I can never cycle the battery if the fridge is the only implement attached. I understand that DCB's need to be cycled for long life.

    Am I reading this correctly?
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    Originally posted by one_iota

    Am I reading this correctly?

    <span style="color:darkblue">im not sure.....


    a deep cycle battery is designed to accept a deeper rate of discharge....
    compare to a normal battery.....and its not designed to run high current items...
    such as starter motors and winches.....it is for lower current and for more hours......

    lets say...for arguements sake....if you discharge a normal battery down to
    9 volts regularly....it wont last long.....they need to be kept charged above 12 volts.....


    if you do the same with a deep cycle.....it will last longer than a normal battery....
    i dont mean will run the accessories for a longer period of time....
    that is governed by the capacity of the battery...(AH)
    i mean it will last for 2 or three years instead of 1 or less....</span>

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    an update - the fridge is set at 4 degrees

    7:00am yesterday i started with 12.53V in the tank
    8:00pm last night i had 12.32V - we had heavy cloud cover from 5pm on so the batteries should have been rested enough after taking charge from the solar panel all day
    6:30am this morning 12.23V - i forgot to pick up some connectors yesterday therefore i could not connect the van up to the fender so that my two aux deep cycle batteries could lend a hand overnight. 0.09 of a volt drop sound s little low for a 10 hour period, i didn't disconnect the solar panel as it was in full shade therefore i wouldn't think would have an output.

    will it last the five day test, i'm guessing not and as we have cloud cover today the solar panels output will be reduced a fare bit

    if i get two to three days out of the setup i will be happy as it will reduce the amount of days i will have to have both fridges in the fender

    i will probably put my new engle in the van for easter as it draws less current therefore longer life out of my makeshift van setup.

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    <span style="color:darkred">there are a few things that will affect your results.....
    such as....
    how full the fridge is......
    how often it gets opened.....
    the temerature and airflow around the fridge....
    how insulated it is....does it have the bag around it...



    but it appears that the solar panel is running it during the sunny times....
    and its only using the battery at night......so it should not go flat whilst there
    is sun around.....if you have an overcast day or two....
    the panel may need a hand to recharge the battery back to full charge....

    the panel will run constatly while the sun is shinning.....but the fridge wont...
    so while the fridge is off....the battery is being charged up....
    when the fridge switches itself back on.....the panel will pretty much have enough power
    to run it....so there wont be any draw on the battery.....

    in plain english....the battery should be charging during the day....
    and discharging at night.....just from the panel input....

    do you know the specs of the panel....ie..how many amps its putting out...?</span>

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