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    Head Issue ??

    I usally would ask a good mate of mine about this but he is at home in bed with the flu.

    I think Ive done a head gasket...can you confirm please....well....as well as you can via internet

    Disco 300 TDi....250K...Has been about 6-10dec during the day, even colder when starting at 6am.

    1, Cold start issue... when glow plug light go's out, turns over ok but falls over itself , farts and stumbles then fire's up. May be a Glow plug Prob?? When warm there is no prob restating.

    2, Using coolent approx 200ml-500ml per week, cant find any external leak.

    3,Found very small amont of Green coolent on the filler cap, a small drop about 1mm-2mm.

    4, when running at idle there what looks like steam coming from oil filler hole.

    5, On cold start up seems like a bit of steam from muffler, but it has been very cold here, around the 1-2 dec when started. So not sure if its normal, seems to stop after about 100m of driving, maybe just getting worried about head gasket !!

    On the good side.
    No coolent in oil, no bubbles in rad when running, Disco running very well otherwise.

    I know someone will say ....Take it too someone to test....but the only bloke I know that can do a test here...I wouldent trust him as far as I could spit him....would rathar take it too a LR dealer !

    Any help please?

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    My TDi300 decided to leak from the welch (welsh?) plugs on the passenger side of the engine block. See if there is any green goo down there.

    I let the coolant get too low and it did do the head gasket, so definitely worth keeping an eye on the coolant level.

    If there's no bubbling back through the header tank, you might still be OK. Hope so for your wallet's sake.
    Cheers
    David

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    Hmmm... The loss of coolant doesn't sound good but then again it could be leaking from somewhere you haven't found yet. The cold starting/spluttering doesn't sound good either as the TDi lumps are usually happy starting even without glow plugs.

    Two things you could try to see if it makes any difference:

    1 - Go to a different servo to fill up.
    2 - Check the sedimenter to see if it's full of water.

    HTH

    Mark.

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    get an oil analysis done pronto. This will tell you if there is any coolant in the oil.
    http://www.e-monitor.com.au/
    I've used ALS for years and I actually use a more comprehensive service from them called wear check. 'e-monitor' is their most basic, cheapest test, and it will tell you what you need to know.

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    The sedimenter is a good
    call.. when I bought the Pig the previous owner had changed the fuel filter but never touched the sedimenter. When I serviced it it was a mess. I unscreed the drain valve and nothing came out I used a bit of wire to unblock it and it was discoloured, of it came for a good clean and it was way crappy.. So well worth a look.

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    yep the bad news is I think you're right (I've done 4 - 300 tdi head gaskets myself in different cars over the years and the water loss is a dead giveaway)
    I'd bet $50 you've done a head gasket
    get the head off now before you do more damage (esp if you hydraulic lock or cook it)
    get the head checked for straightness, cracks & hardness before refitting
    any luck it will be OK
    if its gone warped, soft or cracked you'll need a new Head do NOT machine a tdi head (they are surface hardened and machine cuts the hardening off) great way to do another head gasket in a few months

    while your doing the job get your radiator disassembled a rodded clean (not just flushed) I recommend this to anyone with a tdi every 100,000kms or 2 years max, they block up cause it to run a little warm and cause most of the head troubles (& no the factory temp gauge wont pick this up it's useless, by time the temp gauge goes up it's too late)

    Heads are not cheap, if you need one let me know and I'll point you in the right direction

    good luck
    Jase

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    Well.......jobs right !

    A mate had the Disco for 2 days (who has been playing with LR for years), pressure tested to 15psi for the whole two days and it dropped about 2 psi, and found 5 leaks from around the place, inc a very small weep from the front cover seal (will replace when I do the timing belt).....but its not a head gasket !!

    Going to get new rad cap, top and bottom rad hose's, Bi pass hose and inlet & outlet Heater hoses....all looking a little tired.

    So thanks to all with idea's and help.

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    That is better news.

    While your at it, and if it hasn't been done already, replace the plastic plugs in the radiator and thermostat housings with brass items. The plastic ones have a tendency to break and need destroying to remove.

    Early rangies had the brass ones in their radiators, or a number of places have replacements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush65
    That is better news.

    While your at it, and if it hasn't been done already, replace the plastic plugs in the radiator and thermostat housings with brass items. The plastic ones have a tendency to break and need destroying to remove.

    Early rangies had the brass ones in their radiators, or a number of places have replacements.
    It is good insurance to change these plugs to brass. I bought a roof rack from a '96 Defender and the guy told be he did a 300 Tdi motor within 20 seconds of one of the plugs failing. He noticed steam but drove accross and intersection before pulling over - too late!

    He showed me the other plug and it was rubbish. Too little plastic in the sucker. Cost him $10,000 for the repairs and that was about 8 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush65
    That is better news.

    While your at it, and if it hasn't been done already, replace the plastic plugs in the radiator and thermostat housings with brass items. The plastic ones have a tendency to break and need destroying to remove.

    Early rangies had the brass ones in their radiators, or a number of places have replacements.
    Thanks John, Ive seen those in the 4x4's catologe (Blackburn Sth)....wasent sure if they would be worth the money @ $22ea.

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