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    Fluid leveling by gravity

    Say you have two 200litre drums side by side,
    they are connected at the bottom by a 50mm hose a metre long
    Both drums are open to the atmosphere.

    How fast can you fill both drums through the one opening?


    Marks will be given to a "Litres per minute" answer.
    Extra credit for providing the equation.
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    Pedro, it depends entirely on the capacity of the meter

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    Depends on the fluid and the rate of filling. A 50mm hose will flow ~100 litres a minute @ 1 atmosphere.
    What are you trying to do, fill the motorhome from one side?
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    Hi,
    No idea, but the flow between the drums will be dependent on the difference of the fluid levels. So getting the receiving drum brimming as soon as possible will be the key.
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    Yes Ian, need to fill both sides tanks from one side...
    at the truck hi-flow pump clickoff will both tanks be full??
    We can ASSUME both tanks are at the same level to begin with....
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    Never Pedro, the easiest way is to fill each side from a different bowser, simultaneously.
    I used to have a Western Star with 6x450 L tanks, three on each side; I had to run back and forth trying to brim each tank.
    Usually balance hose is 12 or 19mm ID.
    What fuel consumption are you getting?
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    My truck only has a half-inch connecting hose which is effectively useless for filling the other side tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post
    Yes Ian, need to fill both sides tanks from one side...
    at the truck hi-flow pump clickoff will both tanks be full??
    Off a hi-flow bowser?? Not a chance.
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    tricky,

    need to know the orientation of the drums, are we talking 44 gallon drums stood on end or 200l fuel drums laying down like on a truck

    which fluid, diesel, petrol, water, molassas?


    stright though 50mm pipe/hose or does it have bends, curves or fittings, if its got fittings you need the ID of the fitting the hose goes onto as thats usually 5-10mm narrower in ID.

    you cant answer the question without also knowing the available fill rate for the drum thats being used to fill the other drum. IF the transfer rate through the 50mm pipe significantly exceeds the fill rate for the first drum the answer is almost a simple

    400l/fill rate.

    if your fill rate is variable and it hugely exceeds the transfer rate of the pipe then the answer is very nearly the formula for filling the second drum through the 50mm pipe.

    If your filling at those sort of rates, you wont get an ideal real world fill rate due to areation of the fluid going into the first drum....

    All that said, using the epping Aldi high flow diesel pump, 2x220l MAN bus fuel tanks fill with a connected 60mm hose on 50mm id barbs and ball cock valve from nearly empty in ~7 minutes if I rely on the cross tank vent, ~5 if i open the fillers on both tanks.
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    Thanks Dave, I hadnt thought about removing the tank cap on the other side... but it has to be vented anyway from the factory.
    The filling necks are 100mm wide straight pipes, just like the old rangies
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