Thread: Third Party Workshop Manual

Thanks for the reply Ferret.
I'll await to see what response you get re: the missing DTC's and electrical schematics before I part with my hard earned pension $$$.

cheers
DG

Well, for those thinking of exploring this route... all I can advise is don't bother.

That's a bugger. Can you elaborate on perhaps what the issues might be?

Originally Posted by BradC

That's a bugger. Can you elaborate on perhaps what the issues might be?

There are name and shame rules in force, at the risk of running foul of those rules these are the issues I had and their responses, paraphrased in some instances.

1) Duplicate Pages. Of the ~23,000 pages supplied, as best as I can determine all pages from page 13002 are duplicates of previous pages making the file excessively large, slow to load, navigate and search. Can the duplicate pages be removed please?

Their response... No idea if those pages are duplicates, we just download what we get from JLR.


2) Missing DTC descriptions. There are numerous references within the supplied documentation to refer to the 'Diagnostic Trouble Code Index'. For instance, one such reference.

For a list of diagnostic trouble codes that could be stored on this vehicle, please refer to Section 100-00. REFER to: Diagnostic Trouble Code Index - DTC: Chassis Control Module (CHCM) (100-00 General Information, Description and Operation).

Can the missing DTC index being referred to be supplied please, it's said to be in the manual in section 100-00?

Their response... We did not promise or describe the repair manual, as a diagnostic manual. We did not promise anywhere the DTC's.


3) Missing electrical schematics. Numerous references within the supplied documentation to refer to schematic wiring diagrams located within sections of the manual. For instance, one such reference.

Refer to Wiring Diagrams Section 418-00, for schematic and connector information.

Can the missing electrical schematic wiring diagrams be supplied please, They are said to be in the manual within various sections.

Their response... As above we did not describe or promise the wiring diagrams.


4) Missing Sections. Based on the numeric structure of the index pages there is evidence of many missing sections. Some sections may be missing for valid reasons, ie the section does not apply to my VIN but that can't explain it all, there is too much missing. Can you please review and supply the missing sections where applicable to my VIN.

For context, below is the initial part of the index structure for Section 1 of the manual. I doubt anything there is specific to a VIN number. What is shown in red is missing based on a logic reading of the section enumerations.

1: General, PDI and Accessory Information
100: Service Information
100-00: General Information Description and Operation
100-01: Identification Codes
100-02: Jacking and Lifting
100-03 ???
100-04 ???
100-05 ???
100-06 ???
100-07 ???
100-08 ???
100-09 ???
100-10 ???
100-11: Vehicle Transportation Aids and Vehicle Storage
100-12: Software Over The Air


Their response... Nothing is missing, is just the manufacturer's style. Ask JRL, why they are not respecting the number in chapters, and subchapters.

It sounds as though the download wasn't monitored for interruptions and errors, just blindly kept going using a procedure/script that doesn't stop for errors. I've only ever downloaded sections at a time and sometimes the downloaded file has to be scrapped and the download run again for that section. It can be very time-consuming but necessary to get all the required sections.
The electrical reference manual and the electrical connector library used to be separate from the workshop manual involving extra subscriptions to retrieve them.

Hopefully you did get useful information. Perhaps you can print to pdf the various sections to make the manual more usable.