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    Not noisy lifters, then what?

    So my D2 V8 with 112,000km had a noise in the engine which sounds just like lifters worn or not pumping up. Not so evident when cold, when hot, they were noisy, most of the time. Except when I put in lifter conditioner additive, and then the noise seemed to disappear, some of the time.
    To cut a long story short the heads were serviced (a head gasket was leaking) and I asked the Land Rover dealer mechanic to investigate the 'lifter' noise while the heads were being taken off. He said there was no obvious wear on lifters or rockers, the usual suspects, or anything else amiss, but suggested the few hundred dollars that lifters cost would be a cheap possible cure while the engine was apart. Well, now I have the car back and have exactly the same noise. Hardly anything when cold, but when I got home 10km later they are tapping away like an old Falcon taxi.
    I would've replaced lifters, too. I had a P76 making the same noise years ago and replaced the lifters to good effect. This time, my D2 isn't co-operating.
    I'm running out of ideas; the car goes well, but I'd like it sound a little better. Any suggestions?

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    a mate of mine had a d1 3.9 that did the same he had the engine rebuilt and the guy who did it said it was the cam moving backwards and forwards he said rover had a fix for it
    it was the bolt that held the cam gear to the cam simply had a rubber block on it so when the cam moved forwards the rubber block on the bolt would contact with the timing cover instead of the bolt touching the cover

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    The later 4.0 and 4.6 have a different cam retention method to 3.9s. they have a collar to stop the cam moving forward so it cannot be that(unless it has come loose.)

    I think I have suggested before that you may not have enough lifter preload.
    Did the mechanic check??? Should be 20-50 thou between the circlip in the lifter and the pushrod socket.
    Very few people check it.
    Regards Philip A

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    a trick to quietening noisy lifters is to add about half a litre of auto transmission fluid to the engine oil.......

    try this first.....it wont hurt anything to try......

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    I think I have suggested before that you may not have enough lifter preload.
    Did the mechanic check???


    Yes I remember now that you suggested it, but I got to the point where I just didn't have the time to stumble though the job myself, and called in the experts.

    I don't know if the mechanic checked, but now you've reminded me, I will be asking them...now, this is a preload you check with new lifters?

    I should've just left it the way it was... with Bars Stop Leak the gasket leak was doing just fine and lifter noise I could call 'character', especially if it saved me $2500...

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    I know i haven't done many posts before but for the last year my disco1 has been doing my head in with a lifter noise 1 fix replaced lifters didn't work 2 fix pulled motor out put another set of lifters and new cam and found liners were moving in the block so called expert told me to pin them still did not fix the problem 3 fix pulled motor out again got told be kevin at rover tech to put new liners in the block did so and the noise is no longer around.Just cost to much coin thanks to first so called expert got a nicely rebuilt moter now with a few go faster bits out of it though

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    Yup, just about to suggest the moving liner scenario, seen a few 3.9 and 4.6 do it.

    JC

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    Don't know if it makes a difference, but it's a DII 4.0-litre. What about oil pressure? Has anyone experienced lack of pressure to the lifters?

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    Slipped liner/liners is a possibility, but surely the mechanic would have done a visual at least. If he knows Rovers , the steam cleaned combustion chamber is a giveaway, as is the liner being down or up by a mm.

    Another possibilty. Now don't laugh, is simply a leak in the exhaust manifold or the join from the downpipe to the manifold. Most mechanics will just drop the manifold away from the head without undoing the pipe.
    Regards Philip A

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    Always a dilemma when talking to a mechanic abt their work - don't want to tell him how to suck eggs but then it'd be nice to find the cause of this and get it fixed.

    Been assured that liners are okay, but interestingly it was phrased as 'you'd know about it, it'd be using coolant' and implied that it'd be a major leak into the combustion chamber. Posts I've seen here suggest something more subtle. Hmmm.

    Exhaust leak, I've heard of this before but geez it sounds awfully metallic a sound to me. It has to be something following the rise in engine temp, because it only happens with a warm engine. best guess so far is lack of oil pressure. i'll keep you posted...

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