Thread: Emissions Regualtions

Originally Posted by Land-lord

Hi Boys.

What is the current laws about old motors with emission regualtions/restirctions, etc..

I undersand there is a certain year (mid 1970's) where this law starts...?

i.e. any motors built prior to this date is exempt...-correct?

If show - details?

I think [but NOT sure!] that if you're building up a car, a hybrid let's call it, from different components e.g. engine from S1, a gearbox + T-case from a RR Classic, axles from a S2a, some body bits from S 1 and 2's and rearute tub from a S3 and Chassis from a Disco 3 let's say or whatever....even if all of the components are from really OLD model vehicles .....it is deemed that you have BUILT a NEW car and so it must meet all the ADR regs currently in force!.....

I'm NOT sure of this but you better just check......coz I know you're putting together a vehicle from the best of many components that you've got a wide choice of, so better check it out!

Other than that the date of manufacture of the vehicle [and NOT the date of manufacture of the engine] is what anti-pollution regs are applicable to that engine in that vehicle.......e.g. [approx. dates only] after 1966 a "closed " PCV system, after 1975 a fully closed one.....after '75 EVAP systems in force....different and lower levels of permitted percentages of HC's and NOx's etc......it's not that, let's say, Air Pumps or EGR systems etc became compulsory - it's just that usually it was the best[either cheapest or easiest or best] way of meeting certain levels/standards required.

For example, either a belt driven Air Pump or Pulsair could be fitted to continue post ignition and exhaust combustion to try and effectively lower emissions of oxides of nitrogen [NOx]..... or an EFI and computer controlled integrated ignition system could achieve the same levels of lowered emissions as are required for vehicles of a particular date of manufacture.

Hope that helps your Q a bit and not too confusing......it'll probably boil down to where and who finally does the approvals for your project in order to get rego.

GOOD LUCK!

If the registration authority deems your project to be an "Individually Constructed Vehicle" then the date of manufacture is deemed to be the day the vehicle is presented for registration, and all ADR's applicable at that date are to be observed. The only exception is that an ADR compliant engine up to five years old may be used.

I went through a long series of enquiries and replies with Qld. Transport a couple of years ago when I planned to import an English kit-car, a Teal Type 59. Without going into the great detail, I can tell you that attempting to build a kit-car that does not have type approval in Australia is not worth the trouble and stress that would eventuate.

This differs from what I have been told...

Ive been told by the vic roads and QLD RTA that providing you are only using parts available for the vehicle from the manufacturer are not re-engineering things that its the chassis build date that counts.

this means (I'm led to believe) that my 66 IIA with its III diesel, tcase, brakes, sailsbury and 1 tonner springs will be easily legal and assessed on 1966 standards.

But Ive been led astray before by people who should but dont know the full story.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

This differs from what I have been told...

Ive been told by the vic roads and QLD RTA that providing you are only using parts available for the vehicle from the manufacturer are not re-engineering things that its the chassis build date that counts.

this means (I'm led to believe) that my 66 IIA with its III diesel, tcase, brakes, sailsbury and 1 tonner springs will be easily legal and assessed on 1966 standards.

But Ive been led astray before by people who should but dont know the full story.

The parts you quote were just about all available on your 66 - so may not be the same case - certainly not the same case as a new kit car. It will all depend on whether the car is considered to have been built, and for some projects this may be very unclear, in which case you are probably at the whim of the local authority - I doubt whether any state has clear rules that will cover every case!

John

If the vehicle is all old Land Rover, and obviously so, then I would be inclined to just present it for registration as a 1966 Series ? Landrover. You should not have any problems as I doubt if you will find a young clerk at a registry with detailed knowledge of LR components. The engine no. will give up the date of manufacture of the engine. They do have records. If you put say a 1990 engine into a 2000 car, then the emission regulations of 2000 apply. If you put a 2000 engine into a 1990 car the the 2000 regulations still apply. The most recent date, whether car or engine, determines the applicable emissions standards. Your greatest concern is ensuring your built-up bitzer is roadworthy and safe. Are all the components compatible?