5w-40 is to thin for a td5 at least a 10w, desiels dont like thin oil too much, apart from that ive heard its good stuff.
Anyone using Valvoline Synpower Full Synthetic 5W-40 in their TD5? I have been told it is the good gear. I used to run Valvoline exclusively in my chev small blocks and nissan patrol, never had a problem.
Anyone used/heard about the Synpower? Comes at $55 a 5l pack, Pilbara Pricing which seems pretty good for up here.
BradM
5w-40 is to thin for a td5 at least a 10w, desiels dont like thin oil too much, apart from that ive heard its good stuff.
Land Rover Discovery Series II Owners Manual 2003MY
Publication Part No. LRL0545AUS - 2nd Edition
© Land Rover 2003
Engine oil - Diesel engines
Use a 5W/30, 5W/40, 5W/50 or 10W/40 oil meeting specification ACEA: A1 and B1, and having a
viscosity band recommended for the temperature range of your locality.
Engine oil temperature ranges
5W/30 will protect from -30ºC to 35ºC.
5W/40 will protect from -30ºC to 50ºC.
5W/50 will protect from -30ºC to 50ºC.
10W/30 will protect from -10ºC to 30ºC.
10W/40 will protect from -10ºC to 50ºC.
10W/50 will protect from -10ºC to 50ºC.
10W/60 will protect from -10ºC to 50ºC.
use HPR diesel 5 here... 5w / 40 i think.... fantastic stuff as recommended by tombraider
dont know about the valvoline tho...
shouldnt you run diesel specific stuff in the td5? or is it?
Thanks
Steve
as long as it has the relevant ACEA ratings and has at least an API CF light diesel rating it will be fine, although I prefer a dedicated diesel oil (latest spec available in Oz is CI-4+), particularly if you will be using the recommended 20,000km OCI's as the diesel oils have a more robust additive package, but 5W-40 diesel oils aren't excatly bursting forth from the parts store shelves, either.
Valvolene make some good dedicated diesel oils. They work in with Cummins in developing their lubricants and are what Cummins recommend in their engines.
Last edited by rick130; 28th November 2007 at 06:42 PM.
The Valvoline you know what I mean works a treat here.
Cheers
I work at a chrysler/jeep place, we use exclusively valvoline. Synpower in the latest engines with the extended service intervels. Seems to be ok.
this is from another post a long time ago.
I also need to add that the dedicated 5w-40 diesel oils conform to the higher HTS numbers, ie. 3.7 rather than the minimum 2.9.
The xW part of of the SAE oil viscosity range relates to its pumpability at various temperatures below 0*C
If you had two oils, a 15W-40 and a 5W-40, at 100*C they must fall in the 12.5-16.3 centistoke range (a centistoke, or cSt is a measure of viscosity, and FWIW, most xW-40's are usually around 14-14.5 cSt @ 100*C)
Below 0*C, the 15W-40 is allowed a maximum pumping pressure of 3500cP @ -15*C, and the 5W-40 is allowed the same maximum pumping pressure at -25*C. If it was a 0W-40, it would only be allowed a maximum pumping pressure of 3250cP @ -30*C !
At 0*C, there isn't much difference between a 0W and 10W, and at operating temps, there is hardly any difference at all, in fact, if you look at the specs for various brands, I've seen some 0W-30's with a hot viscosity close to 12.5 cSt (the old Castrol SLX 0W-30, made in Germany) vs only around 10cSt for Mobil 1 10W-30 !
Please look at this chart.
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and just to muddy the viscosity waters even further, taken from http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=37212.
SAE viscosity ranges are really deceptive.
Here's a post I added to a thread on another forum once. Note that at 0*C, Redline 15W-40 is thinner than Penrite HPR5 5W-40 ! Once temps get below this, HPR5 will win out.
Quote:
5w-40 is NOT thinner than an equivalent 15W-40 at operating temp, in fact there may be f%ck all difference at 0*C, and some 5W-40's are thicker than some 15W-40's at 0*C.
An SAE viscosity is a range, actual viscosity is measured in centistokes (cSt) eg an xW-40 must fall between 12.5 cSt and 16.3 cSt @ 100*C (most apear to fall @ 14-15cSt)
A 0W-xx or 5W-xx is able to pump/flow at much lower temps than a 15W-xx. Pumping viscosity at low temps is measured in centiPascals (cP) and a 0W-xx cannot exceed 3250 cP @ -30*C , a 5W-xx must not exceed 3500 cP at -25*C, and a 15W-xx cannot exceed 3500 cP @ -15*C.
Here's some specs for a few different oils at various temps
Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40. 14.8 cSt @ 100*C. pour point -45*C
Castrol RX Super 15W-40. 14.5 cSt @ 100*C pour point -27*C
Redline 15W-40. 15.1 cSt @ 100*C. pour point -45*C
Penrite HPR5 5W-40. 15.1 cSt @ 100*C. (no pour point given)
Shell Rimula Ultra 10W-40. 14.6 cSt @ 100*C. pour point -30*C
Castrol Magnatec 10W-40. 14.6 cSt @ 100*C. pour point <-35*C
yet at 0*C we get
D 1= 1066 cSt
RX = 1358 cSt
RL = 1122 cSt
HPR= 1350 cSt
RU = 0809 cSt
Mag = 1182 cSt
a 10W-40 (Shell Rimula Ultra) is actually thinner than both 5W's, and a 15W (Redline) is thinner than the 10W Magnatec and the Penrite HPRD5 at 0* !
It's only when you get down to North American type winter temps that the 5W-40's really show an advantage in pumpability.
HPR5 has a cranking pressure (cp) @ -30*C of 5719, yet
Magnetec has a cp of 7000 @ a warmer -25*C.
The only other directly comparable number was for the older CH-4 version of Delvac 1 which had a cp of 3250 @ -25*, and 20,000 @ -35*.
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