Thread: 300tdi vs td5

Hmm - on Fraser Island they supply Eli Creek for just such a purpose !

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I reckon mounted to 6 inches below the top of the snorkel is the go. So you know it will drown the electrics before the motor tries to chew water!

So the driver drowns before the ECU or engine does?

We are more talking about Deefas here arnt we

Wow a bit more power for all these problems............my moneys still on the 300TDI.

I know why people are scared of the electronics, and I have had some issues with mine, but in all honesty the td5 is a better engine. They do seem to be very reliable, and as some one said earlier they aren't really any more complicated than an EFI v8. Probably less so as the electronics are limited to the engine and dash.

Pete

Originally Posted by Psimpson7

I know why people are scared of the electronics, and I have had some issues with mine, but in all honesty the td5 is a better engine. They do seem to be very reliable, and as some one said earlier they aren't really any more complicated than an EFI v8. Probably less so as the electronics are limited to the engine and dash.

Pete

This is also why I dont have an EFI V8 in my Disco.

How much has it cost you to make you TD5 reliable with all the mods youve done as it's cost me the cost of servicing on my 300TDI which is also cheaper than a TD5.

How far will you get with a dud alternator as I stated before which I drove back from a trip recently with no charge going into the battery due to the alternator getting flushed with mud from a small mud hole.

It's not so much the ECU that I would be worried about but more the wiring, connectors and sensors which worry me more but in saying that I had to replace the ECU on the ZG jeep that we had as well as the (6cyl) VL commodore I had a 1 stage which really doesnt fill me full of confidence for electronics in cars.

On top of that I studied electronics for a year at TAFE after high school (which doesnt really qualify me to say much) and I dont see how a lot of these componants can put up with the vibration, corrosion, temperature changes and general hiding that componants get when in a vehical.

No worries if youve got the money to spare as some people on here seem to have but for me I will be happier to rely on stuff that doesnt rely on the hope and prayer principals of mechanical science

I don't worry, my Disco doesn't make me worry. I just drive it and it just goes. I'm not sure why everybody with old cars are always so worried about reliability where people with newer cars are not. It's interesting how you never see modern cars broken down on the side of the road like you did in the good old days with the good old cars that you could fix (and had to) when the ambient temps hit 30.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

I don't worry, my Disco doesn't make me worry. I just drive it and it just goes. I'm not sure why everybody with old cars are always so worried about reliability where people with newer cars are not. It's interesting how you never see modern cars broken down on the side of the road like you did in the good old days with the good old cars that you could fix (and had to) when the ambient temps hit 30.

Like I said, If you have the money...................

Old cars dont break down, just their owners dont look after them.

Most of the time the old cars used to break down when the temp got up to 30 deg was because they didnt run catch recovery system on the radiator and after getting a bit hot would spit a bit of coolant out and then eventually over heat.

Pretty simple hah.

Ive seen quite a few D2's (4 to be exact) on the side of the Monash of late but I dont know if they were TD5's or V8s but I havnt seen a D1 for ages broken down.

Now is this because of lack of maintenance or is it because they arnt as good as D1's?

I'd probably say that there is a lot less people who work on their own vehicals these days (mainly because they cant with average tools) and that means that they have to have the money for maintenance but if you know anyone who has limited mechanical nouse they normally dont think of maintenance until something breaks.

This is why you now see more newer cars broken down on the side of the road than the older ones.

On top of that the hugely inflated prices of parts for later model vehicals puts maintenance out of reach of a lot of new vehcal owners due to the high purchase price which they might just be able to afford the repayments on but then cant afford to service it or put tyres on it.

So again, if you have the money then there isnt much of a problem with what ever you buy.

In my experience it goes like this. If you buy new or fairly new you loose a lot in depreciation but repairs are generally minimal and reliability is good.

If you buy old, your depreciation is less but your maintenance is higher and reliability is usually not as good. Like you say, it's whether you have the money up front and what's important to you.

For me, I like the fact that I've had the car since new and looked after it to my standards. If I'm going to be in the middle of no where that's important. Let's not forget that it's not just the engine, the entire drivetrain, suspension, and chassis wear gradually.

My mate had a v8 efi rangie that had been everywhere. The car had done 450k (Much of that remote punishing driving) when it was pensioned. The things that caused the pensioning were rust, chassis cracking, and gearboxes/transfer cases wearing/failing. The engine electronics were no problem at all

I just wonder why 99% of the expedition Defenders that are set up for Africa are Tdi300.
We must write to them that they got it wrong
Just curiosity