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    Lots of good questions!

    I will try and answer based on what I have experience with.

    110 front rotors should work but you will need to adjust the spacing of the caliper, I've only done it with Disco stuff mainly because the vast majority of these conversions (over here) are done on Disco's and D-90's.

    1994 and up Defender rear calipers should work straight up with Defender rear rotors No adjustment to the spacing "should" be required. I've only just obtained my first set of rear 110 calipers and have not had any time to "fiddle" these calipers are virtually unobtainium in the states as a wrecking yard item because no 110's with rear disc's ever came to North America.
    In theory they should work better but I'll have to swap them out to tell for sure.

    You can use a 110 Front hub but you will find that the bearing spacing is too wide. You can add a spacer behind the outer wheel bearing race or you can add a ring under the outside edge of the outer wheel bearing on the stub, I did this and it was only 'OK" In the end I changed it.

    1994 (1993ish for RRC) and up is indeed the point at which all things become the same but shorter. What we call the ABS hub and stub has narrower spacing at the wheel bearings and a shorter stub. From here on it become the standard for all Rovers that do not have unit bearings.

    The bolt spacing is different for front rotors, that said the factory bracket couldn't be used but you could fab up some based on factory brackets with the bolt spacing for the front. I suspect that the master cylinder woudl really need to be upsized to make this work but i haven't actually measured the volume of the fronts compared to the rear.

    For those that have fab skilz and want to make their own: I have a partial drawing of these brackets, I will finish it up and post it in a format all can use (probably not metric though ) give a few days and we'll see how far I can get with it.. It's a bit chilly in the shop and I'm a wuss..

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    Quote Originally Posted by revor View Post

    The bolt spacing is different for front rotors, that said the factory bracket couldn't be used but you could fab up some based on factory brackets with the bolt spacing for the front. I suspect that the master cylinder woudl really need to be upsized to make this work but i haven't actually measured the volume of the fronts compared to the rear.

    It's a bit chilly in the shop and I'm a wuss..
    I'm sure I posted a reply ages ago....

    Great info Keith as always!

    Pete (Red October) on here has a 110 county with RRC calipers on the rear, and I believe a standard MC, with a volvo proportioning valve in the middle. I believe the conversion may have been one offered by Maxi-Drive many moons ago... The guy who did the work now live on a remote island - all 800 residents have to share the same dialup connection I think .

    Do you have any more info Pete?

    I also have seen a couple of conversions using Ford Cortina (large twin-pot) front calipers on the rear. Pads and caliper rebuild kits are/were VERY cheap for them - but I'm sure they are even rarer in the states?

    I'm sure when you sat "a bit chilly" you mean -40 or something... so that's fair enough. I need to finish building my shop first so I can start on the landies...

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    Has any one got any specs on these caliper brackets if so could they please post some info as its now time and if i dont get any info il just have to do things the hard way and messure up and do the trial and error thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokka View Post
    Has any one got any specs on these caliper brackets if so could they please post some info as its now time and if i dont get any info il just have to do things the hard way and messure up and do the trial and error thing
    PM Pete (Red_October - or similar) and ask nicely - he should be able to help.

    I have an axle at home that someone else has converted. If it has bolt-on brackets I will take some pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    PM Pete (Red_October - or similar) and ask nicely - he should be able to help.

    I have an axle at home that someone else has converted. If it has bolt-on brackets I will take some pics.

    Thanks ben il do that and also the pics would be handy too do you know if the brakes used on the srt up you have are from a RRC as thats what we are planing to use

    Cheers
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    Chris

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    There's a good thread on LR4x4 UK in their tech archives, has pics. I thought I put a link to it in Common Threads.

    Cheers
    Simon

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    Ive got a pair of brackets for the calipers sitting on the shelf at home.... NEW ones also...

    What do people want measured????

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaddonxi View Post
    The LR4x4 method and price list looks easy and comprehensive: what am I not seeing, or is it that simple?

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    Just completed my conversion yesterday.

    I ended up with:
    - D1 update rear calipers, discs, caliper mount bolts, and disc mounting bolts.
    - Factory caliper mount brackets (FTC3306) but had to machine a combined total of approx 4mm off the mount faces for each bracket (3mm off the axle mount face, and 1mm off the caliper mount face)
    - County front hubs
    - Original county rear stub axles from drum rear
    - Original county rear axles and drive flanges (longer axles than defenders).
    - D1 or County front hub mud shields (the round one that the hub mount bolts go through)
    - Shorter stub axle mount bolts as you remove 6 long ones, but need shorter ones since you don't refit the thick mud shield ring.

    Other useful things I found along the way:
    - Can't fit county front stubs on the rear as the rears locate around the outside of the axle flange, and the fronts locate on the inner diameter of the swivel.
    - Can't use early D1 rear calipers as they have different mount bolt diameters.
    - Can't use the original hub mud shield from the the drum hubs as they are too thick and the bolt heads foul on the disc mount bolts
    - The County front disc mounting flange is slightly thicker than the D1 disc, so the bolts are slightly longer. Best to use the D1 disc mount bolts as the county ones bottom out on the plain bolt shank. It may be possible to use extra washers under the heads of the county ones, but you could run into clearance issues with the stub mounting bolts once the hub is fitted. I didn't test.
    - Apart from the PITA of machining the mounting faces, I also found that the middle 2 holes in the caliper bracket didn't line up properly with the axle flange, and it was impossible to get the bolts in. I ended up drilling them straight through and fitting a nut on the inboard end of the bolt. The 2 end bolts in the bracket were installed normally into the threaded holes.
    Not sure why the middle holes didn't line up as I haven't read of anyone else having that problem. Maybe it was the Britpart brackets????

    If you want to do a disc conversion, then this is definitely the hardest way to do it (apart from also getting brackets fabricated from scratch).
    I had accumulated a lot of the parts cheaply, but if you had to buy them all then unless you had a particular reason to keep your old axle it would be MUCH easier (and probably about the same cost) to just buy a decent defender disc rear from a wrecker and roll it under.

    Steve

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