Choosing a Winch

Thanks Slunnie,

As usual the ebay seller is adament that it will work on both 12v and 24v but the part numbers on the solenoid and the motor are the 12v numbers not the 24v numbers.

The winch looks like it is well built and the cable is much heavier than the cable on my Nokian PTO - so happy with it - but not happy with typical ebay sellers not listing the item correctly.

I will put provide negative or neutral feedback for the seller but keep it and use it on the 12v system on the 101 - but also if I rig it up as a portable winch I will be able to use it on my series 1 without modifying the series 1 as I want to keep it original.

Garry, it is not recommended that you use Deep Cyle Batteries for Starting (occasional use only) or powering Winches or anything that requires large amounts of Amps, the batteries can be damaged if you do so, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Garry, it is not recommended that you use Deep Cyle Batteries for Starting (occasional use only) or powering Winches or anything that requires large amounts of Amps, the batteries can be damaged if you do so, Regards Frank.

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well we have twin yellow tops on the 90 thats the starter and the second...and the winch runs off them also......NEVER had a problem:)

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Originally Posted by Tank

Garry, it is not recommended that you use Deep Cyle Batteries for Starting (occasional use only) or powering Winches or anything that requires large amounts of Amps, the batteries can be damaged if you do so, Regards Frank.

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Thanks - that was my understanding as well - just thought I would ask.

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Originally Posted by dullbird

well we have twin yellow tops on the 90 thats the starter and the second...and the winch runs off them also......NEVER had a problem:)

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OK - I take it that yellow tops are deep cycle batteries. As Tank indicated I had heard that winching on deep cycles was a no no - but your experience would seem to indicate otherwise.

What CCA and storage amps are your batteries?

Cheers

Garry

Optima have a halfway battery which will do both. The blue top.

Optima bluetops are just yellowtops with extra terminals.

You can run twin yellows without any apparent problems, it just shortens their life.

Regards
Max P

That also explains Dullbirds comments then. I've noticed that a lot of RockCrawling buggies also use Optima Yellows as their battery.




Optima Red - Starting

OPTIMA batteries deliver a higher level of power to the starter in the critical first 10 seconds of the vehicle starting cycle.They feature a patented SPIRALCELL Technology allowing for the lowest internal resistance of any battery on the market today. This decreased internal resistance,along with the completely sealed case,is the key to Optima's unparalleled high power delivery, increased cycle life and fast recharge capability for fast recovery in short driving cycles.

Optima Red Top




Optima Yellow - Deep Cycle and Starting

OPTIMA Yellow Top batteries, featuring SPIRALCELL Technology, are designed for all of your deep cycle needs. It's perfect for people who are serious about sound. OPTIMA's power is cleaner with higher voltage output than conventional batteries. You can play your system louder and longer. And they have a greater cycle life so they can be drained and recharged more often. Plus, they're spill-proof and can withstand 15 times the vibration of ordinary batteries.

Optima Yellow Top




Optima Blue - Starting and Deep Cycling

• Starting and dual purpose (starting and deep cycling) models available.
• Lasts up to 2 times longer than other batteries.
• More power in the initial 1, 3, 5, and 10 seconds of the starting process than comparably rated conventional lead acid batteries.
• Constant performance quality keeping your battery running at the same level even as it's being discharged.
• Ideal for seasonal use, fully charged, it can sit unused for up to 12 months at room temperature (or below) and still provide the power necessary to start your boat's engine.
• 15 times more resistant to vibration than other batteries.
• Nonspillable and can mount in almost any position. The OPTIMA® BlueTop battery will keep you on the water longer. Its patented SPIRALCELL® Technology means more running time, faster recharge, and up to twice the life of traditional marine and RV batteries.

Optima Blue Top

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

The 6hp is apparently good with it as long as its loaded up. The solinoids can also be a bit dicky apparently, so many are running the Albright / Tigerz11 type solinoid, passing 24v through to the winch but switching on 12v. Thats all comp stuff though. They're even mounting winch motors onto winch motors and putting 24v through both of them, but thats just the beginning.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Thanks Slunnie,

As usual the ebay seller is adament that it will work on both 12v and 24v but the part numbers on the solenoid and the motor are the 12v numbers not the 24v numbers.

The winch looks like it is well built and the cable is much heavier than the cable on my Nokian PTO - so happy with it - but not happy with typical ebay sellers not listing the item correctly.

I will put provide negative or neutral feedback for the seller but keep it and use it on the 12v system on the 101 - but also if I rig it up as a portable winch I will be able to use it on my series 1 without modifying the series 1 as I want to keep it original.

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24V is ok with 12V winch motor for winding in under load. But it is not good for winding out as the motor will overspeed with no load.

Solenoids are electomagnetic switches. When the electromagnetic coil is energised (by the control circuit), it closes the contacts to switch the power circuit. There is no problem using a 12V solenoid and running 24V in the power circuit (eg for a winch motor), but the control circuit (for the coil) should be 12V. And vice-versa.

24V winch motors draw much less current than similar power 12V motors. I have both 24V and 12V winches (not in the same vehicle - my Isuzu engine has 24V electrics). The windings in the 24V winch motors use lighter gauge wire than the 12V motors.

The plate arrangement in conventional (lead acid) small capacity deep cycle automotive batteries is not suitable for high currents (the plates can distort and give problems).

I use duel, largish ampere hour, AGM batteries in all of my vehicles (and boat) now. I don't have a separate starting battery. These have been good for starting and winching as well as running the fridge for long periods.