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    Eliminate turbo lag

    Has anybody ever considered fitting a small supercharger to a TDi to overcome the low rpm lack of power ? Mabye a jap import supercharger like the one off a toyota MR2 with the electric clutch on the front so it could turn off when the turbo reaches enough boost thus giving supercharger boost down low and turbocharger boost up high. Am unsure how one would go about plumbing etc. and how each charger would merge and affect each other. What do you people think ?

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    I was thinking the same thing awhile back.I was looking at an air to water intercooler aswell so I could run a ford rad and fans to get better performance.Just running electric fans makes a big difference as the engine winds up alot faster,I ran my defender without the fan once and the power was quite impressive. Pat

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    I like the idea of a small supercharger but the problem is where to mount the little bugger, it would fit nicely where the ac comp is if you lived way down south and could live without ac - or NZ.
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    In my opinion, you would be better off getting a really nice hybrid turbo, and exhasut manifold made. This would cost less, be far more simple and be, iwould say, just as effective.

    There are so many difficulties in trying to do both. Also a supercharger takes quite a lot of power to run as well as the complications of 2 different pressured inlet tracts, and having to merge them.

    Lancia did it on the Delta S4 in the 1980's running a supercharger and a turbo on the 1.7litre 4cys to great effect, and I believe Nissan have also (succesfully) tried it recently.

    I have played around with forced induction and fancy turbo's a lot and also with Charge cooling. If you are going to run a charge cooler you need a completely seperate water system. I have had radiators made and used electic water pumps to do this, but charge coolers are expensive. We had Lotus Sport 350 ones modified. You cannot plumb them into the normal water system.

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    Just inject LPG into the exhaust manifold instead.

    I think the VGT turbo upgrade is the go. Turning up the fuel to get higher EGT's will wake the turbo up sooner, but the downsides are quite real.

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    the new golf gt is s/c and turbo 1.4l perol engine.

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    I would have thought one of Jase's variable vane turbos would be the go. They act like a small turbo at low revs and a bigger turbo at high revs.
    a boiler pipe free flow manifold will bring in boost earlier also,as will having a large dump pipe out of the turbo with smallest backpressure possible.

    I think you are dreaming if you think that a supercharger/turbo installation would be easy. Lots of switching as the turbo would be oversped if it had boost shoved down its throat.
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    One advantage of the water cooler is that you can mount a small rad and fan,you can get them from truck wreckers,anywere as the fan forces air through not forward motion.I was looking at mounting it in the hollow inbetween the inner and outer front guard with the inlet were the blanked hole is for the LHD air vent inlet is.It would be a good thing as the air even at idle would be cooled. Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    I would have thought one of Jase's variable vane turbos would be the go. They act like a small turbo at low revs and a bigger turbo at high revs.
    a boiler pipe free flow manifold will bring in boost earlier also,as will having a large dump pipe out of the turbo with smallest backpressure possible.

    I think you are dreaming if you think that a supercharger/turbo installation would be easy. Lots of switching as the turbo would be oversped if it had boost shoved down its throat.
    Regards Philip A
    It would take some creative plumbing but can/could be done, if would have to be some kind of bypass system so as the revs rise you are not over boosting with essentially 2 compressors. Turbo forcing into SC would be the way to do it with boost bypassing the sc at a certain range -when the sc runs out of puff.
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    The trick would be to switch from one to the other at the same boost presure so basically the SC would only be used at low revs until about 1500RPM as then your Turbo would be sufficient.

    It is deffinatly possible and I would love to see someone do it but I wouldnt want to be the one paying for it

    Best bet is putting both a Variable Vane Turbo on with a good water to air intercooler with electric cooling and remover your engine driven fan and fit electric thermo fans.

    This all will achieve what your after (even just doing one of them will make a huge difference) at a fraction of the cost or the headaches.

    Great idea though, I had thought of getting rid of the turbo all together and fitting a SC but was told it doesnt work all that well.

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