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Thread: Maxi-drive axle probs on a Defender

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    Maxi-drive axle probs on a Defender

    Hi All

    A mate of mine has a problem with his maxi-drive axles. From what I can gather this is a very rare event as the reputation of these is pretty good. Mine have certainly been fine.

    In Alice last year we found he’d done a seal and luckily a quick drive round the corner saw us meeting Big Jon who was then at Suttons. It turned out the people who had put the axles in back in Perth had used the wrong seal (for grease). Jon got the problem sorted, replaced the seals and away we went.

    But now, a year later the seal has gone again! Same side. A telephone chat with a Landy guy in Perth (who has yet to see the car) reckons that when the wrong seals were in, the grease seals let moisture in and it’s gone and stuffed the axles, they are probably pitted and chewing out the seal and he’ll need new axles! Ouch.

    I found these people still do the axles, Hi-Tough Engineering so we’ll be calling them for advice on Monday.

    I was just wondering what you gurus reckon and if you can come up with any other ideas. Getting a new set of axles sounds extreme.

    Any advice, opinions 2c and above gratefully received.

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    Sounds like crap to me. I'd be wanting to see the axles before any replacement.
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    AGREE ABSOLUTE CRAP!!!.

    Cheers Sumo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    Sounds like crap to me. I'd be wanting to see the axles before any replacement.
    Well we were thinking the same thing but to be fair to the guy, he was diagnosing down the phone and hadn't had a look himself yet. But thanks, he will certainly want to see the axles.

    What would make them go so soon though? It would have done 7000k max. At Suttons they checked all the breather (blocked) and sorted that and replaced whatever needed replacing there. Maybe it's that, it's a farm vehicle, but he doesn't mud bath it.

    He was surprised at how suck a thick grade diff oil could get out and spray all over the brakes and tyres like it was sewing machine oil.

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    I wonder if there is play in it at all or if there is runout in there that will give the seal a workout until it fails. It may be work having this checked also.

    Runout wouldn't surprise me because the seals have both failed early and both had similar life spans. I would assume the bearing were checked when the MD axles went in as the end of the axle has to be disasembled on the side with the locking dog.
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    The stub axle surface can become worn and pitted with corrosion when the original grease seals have been used. they don't seal terribly well.
    The fix is either a new stub axle or speedi sleeve the existing stub axle.
    Trying to run the RTC3511 seal on it won't last, even if it looks like it may miss the worst of the damage.

    Speedi sleeves aren't cheap, so sometimes a new stub axle is cheaper. I speedi sleeved one of my stub axles quite a few years back due to this, about six months after converting to RTC3511 seal and oil lubed bearings. Wrecked a near new set of pads when it let go.

    BTW, 80w-90 might be fairly thick trying to pump it into a diff, but at 100*C it's exactly the same viscosity as 15w-40 engine oil at the same temp

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    yep i would have thought stub axle first....no sure that a bit of water would render a set of maxi axle to replacement

    see my stub problems

    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...e-tonight.html

    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...-sleeve-q.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    The stub axle surface can become worn and pitted with corrosion when the original grease seals have been used. they don't seal terribly well.
    The fix is either a new stub axle or speedi sleeve the existing stub axle.
    Trying to run the RTC3511 seal on it won't last, even if it looks like it may miss the worst of the damage.

    Speedi sleeves aren't cheap, so sometimes a new stub axle is cheaper. I speedi sleeved one of my stub axles quite a few years back due to this, about six months after converting to RTC3511 seal and oil lubed bearings. Wrecked a near new set of pads when it let go.

    BTW, 80w-90 might be fairly thick trying to pump it into a diff, but at 100*C it's exactly the same viscosity as 15w-40 engine oil at the same temp
    Im backing most of this... except the viscosity thing.....

    If you know how and are willing to do the prep work properly you can speedy sleeve the axle yourself, Its not quite brain science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    Im backing most of this... except the viscosity thing.....

    If you know how and are willing to do the prep work properly you can speedy sleeve the axle yourself, Its not quite brain science.
    have a look at an oil PDS Dave and see what the majority of 75w/80w-90's are at 100*C, usually in the 14-16cSt range, which just happens to be right where the majority of 5w/10w/15w-40 engine oils sit too.

    In other words they are as 'thin' as each other at working temp, and a Sals working hard gets damn hot in Summer.

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    James, in case you haven't made the connection (from the replies), no one here is thinking the seals that run on the maxi-drive axles are the problem - rather the seals that run on the stub axles. Many of us (myself included), remove these seals so diff oil can lubricate the wheel bearings.

    So no need to replace the maxi-drive/hi-tough axle. But probably repair/replace the stub axle if it is worn/damaged where the lips of the RTC3511 seal run.

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