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Thread: EGT gauge reading too low?

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    Wilbur Guest

    EGT gauge reading too low?

    Hi all,

    I have just fitted an EGT gauge to my 300tdi Defender. The kit that was supplied has the thermocouple going in tangentially to the plate, so it doesn't go in very far before it hits the manifold. Also, it will obviously not be right in the gas flow, rather it is in a little pocket.

    Driving around town gently it reads around 250 degrees. Crusing the highway at 100 k's it reads about 400 degrees.

    Holding it flat to the boards in 3rd at about 80KPH up a 1 kilometre hill it reaches 450 degrees, which seems suspiciously low to me.

    I have a camper built on the back of the 130 and total weight is 3.2 tons so the engine does work pretty hard up hills.

    Have I got a problem with the EGT gauge, or am I maybe not fuelling enough? The car goes in for a gas fumigation kit next week, and I would like to know that the gauge is accurate.

    Grateful for any suggestions.

    Cheers everyone,

    Paul

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    Your cruising figures of 250 (gentle) and 400 (100km/hr) sound correct. Full load up hills should be more like 650-700. Looks like you have some room to boost the fuelling

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    Those figures are SPOT on.....

    do a hard Hwy hill then on the down hill clutch it and idle.... should drop to 200 in seconds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur View Post

    Holding it flat to the boards in 3rd at about 80KPH up a 1 kilometre hill it reaches 450 degrees, which seems suspiciously low to me.


    Grateful for any suggestions.

    Cheers everyone,

    Paul
    That figure is not overly suspiciously low. The EGTs would be higher if you tackled that hill in 4th. Next time you run that hill, try it in 4th - if it labours, just keep the foot planted - the EGTs will go well beyond 450.

    When I towed with my 200Tdi Discovery, the EGTs dropped markedly if I downshifted to 4th and let it rev rather than strain in 5th.

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    Wilbur Guest
    Thanks for the replies - that is just what I wanted to hear!

    Reckon I will try boosting the fuelling. It is VERY economical, maybe that's why. The only reason I haven't tried it before is that even with over a ton of camper on the back it is nearly as fast (on the flat) as my TD5 130.

    It also gets the same economy......

    Cheers all,

    Paul

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    Oh also, it does drop some black smoke a bit when under heavy load. Am I right in guessing that means I shouldn't increase the fuelling?

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    That little pocket is fine, as long as you have 20mm extending into it. The difference between here and No.1 exhaust branch are virtually identical. Ian peterson, http://www.thermoguard.com.au/ who markets his own egt gauge tested these two positions, he is a wealth of knowledge on egts and gauges.( I am not affiliated with him, I just picked his brains).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur View Post
    Oh also, it does drop some black smoke a bit when under heavy load. Am I right in guessing that means I shouldn't increase the fuelling?
    Depends where - if it's only smoking on WOT then you can still get more mid range performance by boosting the turbo compensator cct. Perhaps wind the max fuel screw out another 60deg if it is only at WOT.

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    Wilbur Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by pawl View Post
    That little pocket is fine, as long as you have 20mm extending into it. The difference between here and No.1 exhaust branch are virtually identical. Ian peterson, ThermoGuard Instruments who markets his own egt gauge tested these two positions, he is a wealth of knowledge on egts and gauges.( I am not affiliated with him, I just picked his brains).
    Thanks Pawl,

    That's good to know.

    In fact it is one of Ian's thermocouple kits I used, to replace the one that came with the VDO kit that I lost.....

    Cheers,

    Paul

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    Wilbur Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Taz View Post
    Depends where - if it's only smoking on WOT then you can still get more mid range performance by boosting the turbo compensator cct. Perhaps wind the max fuel screw out another 60deg if it is only at WOT.
    Thaks Taz,

    Yes, it only smokes on WOT. I am looking forward to having a play. I am taking it to Canberra today for a gas fumigation kit. There will be a lot of fun playing and tweaking over the next few weeks.

    Other than excessive EGT, is there any other indication if I go too far on the fuelling?

    Cheers,

    Paul

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