I said no BS.Give me a fact,how can one stay on and not the other. Pat
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I said no BS.Give me a fact,how can one stay on and not the other. Pat
yep its the law....
dig deep enough into the critera for testing and fitting and the tyre will have a reccomended rim profile which includes every naffing detail about the bits that the rubber touches and maintains pressure, IF your not doing exactly whats tested your against the law... If your against the law your insurance can refuse to pay up in total if the tyre had any previlance in the accident.
However due to the excelence of laywers and loopholes you can get away with a lot.
The semantics of this argument are pretty much moot as the number of variables involved in working out what caused what to fail and why is huge.
Ive run tubes in tyres that arent ment to have them and had no problems.
Ive run tyres that are ment to have tubes without them and not had problems.
Ive done the same on rims....
in shear bloody minded desperation ive run underwidth rubber on over width rims and vice versa.
In "just to prove that as a Landrover driver my book of tricks is bigger than you can imagine MR bloody toyota driver" Ive even fitted a tubed tyre tubless on a toyota split rim and made it hold air enough to get the toyota home.
so for the person who asked the question in the first place.....
are you asking whats legal?
or
are you asking what doable?
put enough effort into it and you can make anything work.
No BS, it is againt the law :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by PAT303
You're concerned about unrestrained toenail growth?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick130
Cheers
Simon
If you want to bring in the law bit I would bet a weeks wage that 50% of cars on the road would not pass a pit inspection for roadworthy so that is not an answer.I want an answer to the question ask. PatQuote:
Originally Posted by mcrover
Your VERY wrong Pat...................More like 90% would fail if done to the enth degree:DQuote:
Originally Posted by PAT303
I think Rovercare is probably closer. From time to time service organisations undertake checks of cars at shopping centres - and even their cursory checks typically find around 50% unroadworthy.
Interestingly, the most common defect is tyres - and the problem is usually tread depth or inflation, nothing to do with type of rim or tubes/tubeless.
But if we look just at deliberate modifications from design specification, then PAT is possibly closer. There are a number of very common modifications that are certainly illegal - just to give one example is HID bulb conversions. For that matter, simply fitting higher wattage bulbs is almost certainly just as illegal as running tubeless tyres on rims not approved for them. So is running tyres at any pressure other than that placarded on the car or approved by the vehicle manufacturer and tyre manufacturer (of course there is a question when the tyre and vehicle manufacturer give different figures!).
Unfortunately, we have so many laws and legally binding regulations affecting almost every aspect of life that it is literally impossible for anyone to learn them all in one lifetime, let alone comply with them all. But "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
John
I and a dozen others have answered your question several times, go back over the posts and have a look, Im not going to repeat myself again, I get flamed for that enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by PAT303
As far as 50% not passing a RWC, that is quite possible but how does that make it right.
My Disco is modified but other than a lightly sand blasted windscreen and the obligitory LR oil leaks my car is always kept road worthy as I carry my familly in it and do many long trips.
Im deffinatly not saying that im in the right by driving a car with a sand blasted screen but I doubt there is a car out there that would not have one to some extent even more so a 4wd which is used off road doing club runs etc in the bush.
Pat, there is no way you can make what your doing right and I dont understand why your so hell bent on converting us to your way of thinking when that would require intentionally making our cars unroadworthy or is it that you just dont want us to think baddly of you for doing it?
Keeping it legal is always a difficult thing when you use a car of any sort and like JD has said, trying to keep up with the laws would be a full time job but the laws that are common and well known should be followed in my opinion, most of it isnt that hard.
As far as lighting goes, that is a huge one for RWC at the moment with all this HID stuff and the low mount white "fog" lights that everyone just needs to have as well as lights on roof bars as well as reverse lights over a certain wattage etc etc.
It's a PITA for a 4wder who uses most of this stuff to make trips safer and more enjoyable but also can make their rig un roadworthy if fitted incorredtly so all I say is make sure you know the rules first and then weigh up wheather or not your going to follow them.
It's up to you in the end, doesnt matter what anyone else thinks really as you will be the one paying for it if the proverbial hits the fan for some reason.