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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Khos,seeing it is a 93-94 it may have composite gaskets. Have a look at the heads and see if there is a bolt on the lower edge of the head.Ie 4 bolts that you can see near the engine number plate near each cylinder.
    If it has bolts there it may be a "tin" gasket. If there are no bolts it should be a composite gasket.
    Composite gaskets are dearer but better, and you have to fit the correct ones for the heads. Sorry but I didn't really look very closely.

    You also need a valley gasket and end seals, and exhaust manifold gaskets, although you have extractors so maybe they are just siliconed on. I would fit gaskets.
    You will also need some head bolt sealant from a Holden dealer.
    My rocker cover bolts have Phillips heads ie a big screwdriver.
    Regards Philip A

    Thanks Phillip , Yep ....Wrong ones were ordered , luckily for me the goods hadn't left yet so I changed the h/g to composite ones.

    Edit : There is also another alternative , a VRS head gasket kit ?

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    I'm also in the process of building a hc 4.6 to replace my 3.9. It's early days yet but after considerable research and experience with my 4.6 SDI I've got the specs sorted:

    Seasoned 9.35:1 top hat linered 4.6 block;
    Piper RP4 high torque cam (it's an auto), factory lifters;
    Rollmaster double row timing gears;
    New regraphed dissy with RPI power amp;
    Bosch ignition leads with NGK BP5ES plugs;
    Reconditoned 3.9 heads (28cc), slightly skimmed with K liners;
    Tornado EMS chip;
    Magnaflow exhaust.

    Rover Parts in Ballarat do the top hat blocks for $4.5k with crank and pistons fitted. Bruce Davis and others may also supply them ready built. The 4.9 and 5.2 blocks that TRS sell sound good on paper, but are more expensive and IMO are better suited to a TVR or race car where you can fit much bigger valves and radical headwork. A waste of money for the Disco with standard size valves which were orignally designed for a 3.5 litre bore.

    Hoping for around 260hp and 320ftlb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traco View Post
    I'm also in the process of building a hc 4.6 to replace my 3.9. It's early days yet but after considerable research and experience with my 4.6 SDI I've got the specs sorted:

    Seasoned 9.35:1 top hat linered 4.6 block;
    Piper RP4 high torque cam (it's an auto), factory lifters;
    Rollmaster double row timing gears;
    New regraphed dissy with RPI power amp;
    Bosch ignition leads with NGK BP5ES plugs;
    Reconditoned 3.9 heads (28cc), slightly skimmed with K liners;
    Tornado EMS chip;
    Magnaflow exhaust.

    Rover Parts in Ballarat do the top hat blocks for $4.5k with crank and pistons fitted. Bruce Davis and others may also supply them ready built. The 4.9 and 5.2 blocks that TRS sell sound good on paper, but are more expensive and IMO are better suited to a TVR or race car where you can fit much bigger valves and radical headwork. A waste of money for the Disco with standard size valves which were orignally designed for a 3.5 litre bore.

    Hoping for around 260hp and 320ftlb.
    Hi Traco ;

    The top hat Linered 4.6 block sounds really nice I'm still waiting a Quote from BD on a 4.6 Motor with H/C Pistons supply and fitted

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    Could someone please tell me if this Makes any sense , 1/4 " UNC 7/8 , Does it mean anything ? The Size of Cross Head Bolts , any idea what size socket is required ?



    Are there any suggestions on how to remove the Alan key Bolts off the plenum chamber housing , They seem to be $#@% lock-tighted on ,Do they require to be locktighted

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    I've done mine, and i have very little mechanical knowedge (but more now ).

    I didn't go all the way, so i left the block in the car. Removed virtually everything else. It was all a one man job. Took a while, but i took it slow. Only got held up on removing the crank pulley and repairing manifold studs.

    I replaced heads (2nd hand, with rocker shafts), push rods, tappets, cam (not standard), timing chain/gears, water pump, exhaust manifolds, gaskets, etc. Even fitted a trigger wheel to the crank for my next project.

    AFAIK, the only difference the head gaskets make is the change in compression. I removed tin ones and fitted composite ones. My reasoning was that, since i didn't machine the heads or block, there would be more "room for error" due to the type of material. Was also told (by the cam manufacturer) that the cam i bought wouldn't work properly. Runs GREAT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traco View Post
    I'm also in the process of building a hc 4.6 to replace my 3.9. It's early days yet but after considerable research and experience with my 4.6 SDI I've got the specs sorted:

    Seasoned 9.35:1 top hat linered 4.6 block;
    Piper RP4 high torque cam (it's an auto), factory lifters;
    Rollmaster double row timing gears;
    New regraphed dissy with RPI power amp;
    Bosch ignition leads with NGK BP5ES plugs;
    Reconditoned 3.9 heads (28cc), slightly skimmed with K liners;
    Tornado EMS chip;
    Magnaflow exhaust.

    Rover Parts in Ballarat do the top hat blocks for $4.5k

    Hoping for around 260hp and 320ftlb.
    Is that a good bit of power for a rover engine? Seams a low for a 4.5k short block that doesn't have very much power. Only saying because i got a 308 long motor a few years ago for 4.5k made just over 300 hp at the wheels with just under 450ftlb



    has any one put a turbo on a 3.5 or 3.9, looked at the toyota 4.0L v8 or gen 3 in there cars? how did they go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    I've done mine, and i have very little mechanical knowedge (but more now ).

    I didn't go all the way, so i left the block in the car. Removed virtually everything else. It was all a one man job. Took a while, but i took it slow. Only got held up on removing the crank pulley and repairing manifold studs.

    I replaced heads (2nd hand, with rocker shafts), push rods, tappets, cam (not standard), timing chain/gears, water pump, exhaust manifolds, gaskets, etc. Even fitted a trigger wheel to the crank for my next project.

    AFAIK, the only difference the head gaskets make is the change in compression. I removed tin ones and fitted composite ones. My reasoning was that, since i didn't machine the heads or block, there would be more "room for error" due to the type of material. Was also told (by the cam manufacturer) that the cam i bought wouldn't work properly. Runs GREAT!
    Hi Pete ;

    I seem to have a comp leak on 1 cylinder ,see my Comp results in this thread , although I haven't done a Wet test or a leak-down test yet , but heads are coming off anyhow.

    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...-tank-cap.html

    the Motor has a New Cam and lifters , The engine's really smooth actually
    and there is no tappet noise . like yourself , I won't be pulling the motor out to do a "complete rebuild".

    I've ordered the composite gaskets today and hopefully they will arrive tomorrow. so I can continue spannering.

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    Just had a Look thru "RAVE CD" and found The head Bolts size it's definitely 1/4" UNC x 7/8 , so Size of the Bolt head 1/4" inch and the Thread is Course?

    Edit:

    Come'on someone here would know what size socket is required to get the rocker cover cross head bolts off with ??

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    ok, Finally after spending half the morning and travelling to 2 different Auto shops , I have discovered the cross head bolts are 1/4" drive 5/16" MultiHex Anything bigger ie 3/8" drive and the socket fouls on the Rocker cover , and neither auto-one or Repco stock them in that size , but they can be ordered which I did and probably won't be here after Xmas ,good news is the car is still driveable so the heads won't be coming out anytime soon , Until I get my hands on the right size socket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2door grover View Post
    Is that a good bit of power for a rover engine? Seams a low for a 4.5k short block that doesn't have very much power. Only saying because i got a 308 long motor a few years ago for 4.5k made just over 300 hp at the wheels with just under 450ftlb



    has any one put a turbo on a 3.5 or 3.9, looked at the toyota 4.0L v8 or gen 3 in there cars? how did they go?
    That's ok for a 4.6 RV8 in a 4x4. Rover components are far more costly than Holden. But there's much less engineering involved in sticking with an OE engine instead of doing a transplant. Extra big hp/ftlb numbers means you'll be needing to up grade everything else in the drivetrain to cope, which suggests that ultimately you'll probably end up spending much more than if you'd stayed with the original. The 4.6 bolts straight in.

    The limiting factor with the Rover V8 is the heads. Just compare the valve sizes with that from a GM or Ford V8. You can get 500 bhp from an RV8 and more in naturally aspirated form but it takes a lot of $$$ and involves special big buck Wildcat heads.

    I used alloy 1964 only Buick 300 heads on my 4.6 SD1 fitted with 1.75 inlets and 1.5 exhausts and a lot of flowbench work on the ports (which are larger than the Rover ones to start with) and modifying of the combustion chambers to get the CR up. End result is they'll support a potential 408hp but it cost nearly 2k to get that (including purchase of these rare heads from a wreckers in the Arizona desert).

    Another option is to use the new Merlin F85 heads that Real Steel in the UK have just introduced; these are supposed to be well done though I have not seen any airflow figures for them yet.

    One further glimmer of hope comes in the form of TA Performance in the US who bought up all Kenne Bell's V6 and V8 Buick business. TA are reportedly in the process of developing some new castings for the BOP/Rover that are based on an extended Buick V6 design and which will equall the GM/Ford heads. No good for the small bore Rovers but just right for a 4.6. Interesting to see how this project turns out.

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