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Thread: Td5 turbo boost modulator fine - what about wastegate actuator?

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    Td5 turbo boost modulator fine - what about wastegate actuator?

    I've had a problem with my Td5 Disco ever since I bought it 18 months ago whereby it doesn't want to rev smoothly and easily beyond about 2500 in every gear. Graeme Cooper reckoned it wasn't getting enough fuel and a upgraded ECU would fix the problem. The new ECU certainly gave a bit more power down low (although still a bit disappointing) but the upper end problem hasn't gone away. An excellent diesel specialist spent quite a few hours going over it (fortunately only charged me for 1.5 hours as couldn't find the problem) - he agreed it didn't rev like Td5s should but fuel pressure was fine, no leaks in lines, no probs with injectors, physically checked voltages across various sensors etc. Reckons MAF is fine. I've just replaced the turbo boost modulator given that it's only $50 but that didn't fix it either. I previously experimented with wastegate actuator rod length to avoid overboosting possibility and also WD40 the linkage but that didn't fix it. Karcraft reckon the wastegate actuator only comes with turbo rather than as a separate part, and may be difficult to get one of these through a wrecker given that they'd presumably want to keep these with the turbo - I haven't read anyone in this forum having replaced one of these anyway so presumably unlikely to be the problem???

    Kind of frustrated as I have a dyno printout indicating I have 85kW at the wheels at 60kph in 3rd/3000rpm - shame it doesn't want to get there and beyond without flooring it and having it run rough.

    BTW, hoses and exhaust are fine...
    Always looking for creative new ways to get bogged... :whistling:

    76 RR...sold coz fuel was expensive at 70c/l :eek:
    93 200 Tdi Disco...old faithful...sold to make way for...
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    What type of exhaust flex does it have? The bellows type has an internal restriction of about 40% that the earlier wire mesh ones don't have. Mine revved much more smoothly with the bellows replaced with a wire one.

    Edit: If the actuator doesn't open then its not the problem. It wil only be a problem if it opens prematurely, ie rod too short. Make sure that you can move the wastegate and that its not stuck partly open.

    Edit: should read "rod too long"
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    it's a 99 so it's got the wire flex joint

    hopefully the answer is the wastegate adjustment (i.e. rod too short so overboosting) or stickiness, so I'll have another play with that...
    Always looking for creative new ways to get bogged... :whistling:

    76 RR...sold coz fuel was expensive at 70c/l :eek:
    93 200 Tdi Disco...old faithful...sold to make way for...
    99 Td5 Disco ACE...nice drive...hopefully reliable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by feraldisco View Post
    it's a 99 so it's got the wire flex joint

    hopefully the answer is the wastegate adjustment (i.e. rod too short so overboosting) or stickiness, so I'll have another play with that...
    Yeah, got to get that the right way! The shorter the rod, the higher pressure req'd to open the wastegate with the possibility of having too much boost but only if the ecu objects and cuts fuel (which makes the engine jerky, not underpowered). Rod too long and the wastegate will open prematurely, thus not allowing the engine to produce the normal amount of torque.
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    wastegate was a bit sticky, but even after freeing this up there was no difference in performance. Have been playing around with wastegate rod length - even though Tombie reckons to go no more than half a turn at a time, I assume there's no way you can stuff the motor doing larger adjustments - presumably if the rod is too short, the ECU will handle any overboost problem and if too long, you'll just be down on torque?

    BTW, I'm curious to know if I'm in the right ballpark re rod length - I started off with 11 exposed threads between locknut and actuator? I realise it's not a very scientific way to compare, but I don't have a boost gauge! I recall a rule of thumb of adjusting until wastegate is fully closed with engine off - does that require shortening the rod until it gets too tight to move the adjustment nut further?

    Finally - how much difference should I expect with a disconnected MAF - there was a slight difference in the way the vehicle ran but not huge, so maybe the MAF is faulty after all?
    Always looking for creative new ways to get bogged... :whistling:

    76 RR...sold coz fuel was expensive at 70c/l :eek:
    93 200 Tdi Disco...old faithful...sold to make way for...
    99 Td5 Disco ACE...nice drive...hopefully reliable...

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    Despite what you have been told, I think the MAF is to blame. The best method is to try a known working example. Also, the oil in harness issue can also effect the signal from MAF and AAT in the airbox lid by insulating the signal from either of these. The MAF may not be recording a fault, but the figures from it should read from 550 to 650 Kg/Hr at flat throttle, and at idle at least 55 to 65 kg/hr. These figures are obtainable with machinery like Rovacom etc, but I am not certain that Testbook will actually give real time readouts? Can someone who has used it tell me?
    So, if you are seeing only 400 or so Kg/Hr airflow at flat throttle, there is the problem.

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    I was hoping that wasn't the case as they're about $3-400? But yes, the simplest way to test would be to do a swap with a known working example - any volunteers with Td5 Discos in ACT region? Otherwise I'll have to go back to a LR specialist in Sydney who can do the correct testing.

    One of the reasons I've never really suspected the MAF is because cleaning it previously made a noticeable difference to smoothness, so I assumed it was working, but maybe not as well as it should be...
    Always looking for creative new ways to get bogged... :whistling:

    76 RR...sold coz fuel was expensive at 70c/l :eek:
    93 200 Tdi Disco...old faithful...sold to make way for...
    99 Td5 Disco ACE...nice drive...hopefully reliable...

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    My rod has 13 exposed threads.
    If you shorten the rod until fully tight then the actuator spring is totally compressed and the wastegate cannot possibly open, so fuel cut-out will occur when boost gets too high.
    MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
    VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa

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