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    Question tyre woes, what'll I try next?

    HI,

    I've had my DII since new (Dec '03). I had BFG's fitted at purchase and cut one up about ten days later, another died after 35,000K. When they got to about 65,000K I changed to Cooper STs. (all in standard size, 235/70 by 16). I was dissappointed to find they were NOT LT in that size, you might say the tyre place conned me a bit.

    About 6 months ago I've had a couple of the Coopers spiked on a gravel road and had to be tilt trayed back home. Now I've got another one that's developed a bulge (delaminating?).

    We're planning to travel for a month or so and will be towing the Camper trailer. I generally think the ST's weren't up to the load, wearing the outside edges at recommended pressures (incidentally only 35lb max). I also have 2" spring lift, so considering going a size or two bigger.

    I've priced BFG 245/70 ($315) and Yokahama ($270ea. for a set of 5). I was offerred Bridgestone D694s for $232ea for a set, but I'm not impressed with the tread pattern. Also priced Toyo 245/75 ($313), and ST's in the same size are $317. All above LT construction. So really the price is not much different.

    Would the 245/75's need a diff or transfer case ratio change, especially considering that I'm towing the trailer, which is fairly heavy? (I'll have to weigh it one day ).

    I'm inclinded to try the Toyo's...

    Other things on my mind:
    Ease of replacement in 'semi-remote' places, the two tyres at once was between Grafton and Dorigo and cost $400 for the tow, and even priciing them now I've had to look around, with most saying they'll get them in the next day or two (Grafton, Maclean/Yamba, Coffs).

    I've still got 2 ST's on VG condition and one about 2/3 worn, moving them to the trailer would require new wheels (and hubs if they are to be LR pattern).

    FYI I'll attach a photo of the current problem.

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    I have until recently not had much time with coopers and must say now that I have them I hear both horror and good stories, bit like what I hear from other makes.

    Some on hear love them some just hate them.
    Take your pick. My mates run them and speak highly of them also.
    I would take them to a coopers dealer and show them the issue.

    Perhaps get or go for a part refund.
    Get a quote for 4 new Coopers in 245/75 but make sure in LT.
    Keep the others as spares on roof etc. They look to be more like 60% worn and on big trip they will not be much chop. IMHO.
    I like to get new tyres at that point and perhaps sell old ones or put on trailer.

    Have you tried the ATR's from cooper, very quiet and capable, in LT form.

    Pirelli Scorpion have a good reputation at the moment but are not available everywhere and some places I heard are not able to get them at all.

    BFG, I had on my last truck and were good but noisy.

    Hope that helps.

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    I have heard very bad things about Coopers lately, from people in the know.

    My local shop (which I trust) actively refused to sell me the Coopers they had in their shop as they didnt want to deal with the paperwork when they ****ed up.

    Ive run BFG's a few times over the years and never had a problem, I bought BFG AT again this time.
    IMO the K's you got out of your BFG's is very good, if I get that amount of travel from a tyre im cheering.

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    I just bought a set of LT 245.70x16 D694s for my RRC. I replaced a 10 year old set of BFG 245.75x16 .

    My early impressions are that they are fantastic. VERY quiet, nice turn in, very smooth ride. They also have 13MM deep tread.

    At $232 IMHO they are very attractive. At first I thought the tread pattern was a bit mild but after a good look they are IMHO about as aggressive as the BFGs, particularly in the shoulder area.

    I too think the centre area looks unusual but it you look several of the newer designs have the elongated block. I think this is for noise reduction. AND I am pretty sure a lot of research has done on the compromise.

    In any case if you are on dirt roads towing etc you do not need anything more aggressive. I just did the Kimberley, Tanami, GRR etc on a set of BFG Long Trails not LT with no blowouts.

    I Know that many people me included use the "look" of the tyre as a factor in buying, but it is really a pretty bogus measure, when you consider the millions the tyre companies invest in testing.
    Regards Philip A

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    I Know that many people me included use the "look" of the tyre as a factor in buying, but it is really a pretty bogus measure, when you consider the millions the tyre companies invest in testing.
    Regards Philip A
    I am running Pirelli Scorpion ATR in 245/70 16 and I am as impressed with them as you are with the D694s.

    They don't look as aggressive as some others (including BFG AT) but they have been excellent thus far for my use.

    I don't like the look of the Coopers and they regularly fail, so maybe there is something in it!

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    I've got the Pirelli ATR's and so far they have been excellent, but for touring I have been running the Goodyear MTR and they have been absolutely outstanding! I would have no hesitation in buying them again. These tyres are probably 6 years old as a guess, still going and have never given problems (well, except for spinning on the rim when being silly with them at low pressure). The MTR has an open pattern for traction, a carcass that has been benchmark for a long time now and silica compound rubber for improved traction and improved wear. Its also very smooth for an open tyre. Its only comparable tyre is the Cooper ST but it is significantly better than the ST. The new MTR with Kevlar is now really a mud tyre, the old pattern is a high traction AT.
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    I love my BFG MT's but have heard a lot of ngative comemnts ion the AT's of late.
    Woudln't touch Coopers (unles it's beer).

    Mickey Thompson ATZ - 5 rib (for AT type) or 4-rib for more off-road orientation.
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    Hi,

    I have the old Bridgestone 604V Duelers on my 74 RRC. Done about 70,000 k's. Rears are only about 25% worn, fronts about 50%. That's what happens with slotted rotors at only one end.

    The pattern is out of date, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy something similar like the 693 ones.

    cheers, DL

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    I am running Pirelli Scorpion ATR in 245/70 16 and I am as impressed with them as you are with the D694s.

    They don't look as aggressive as some others (including BFG AT) but they have been excellent thus far for my use.

    I don't like the look of the Coopers and they regularly fail, so maybe there is something in it!
    Second that,I never had trouble with mine. Pat

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    I Know that many people me included use the "look" of the tyre as a factor in buying, but it is really a pretty bogus measure, when you consider the millions the tyre companies invest in testing.
    Regards Philip A
    I'm thinking the same now. I recently bought a set of BFG AT's for the spare set of steel rims, put them on and took the car for a herb over to the West Coast of SA... dune work, rocky tracks, etc.

    I noticed that in the soft sand they didn't seem to perform noticeably better than my 'city tyres' - Michelin XPC's on alloy rims. As far as appearances go the BFG's appear more aggressive but I suspect the XPC's (and the updated version of these that are now available) are just as capable for most offroad work when compared to the BFG's.

    Don't get me wrong. I love the BFG's so far - very quiet, and bag out well on the soft stuff, handle well on the tar - but I'm just singing the praises of the Michelin brand, even though they might not look that aggressive with their tread pattern.

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