Boat (tinny) size etc?

**isuzurover** · 21st January 2009, 03:18 PM

Well, after seeing lots of people hauling in delicious lobsters etc in Tassie and WA, I am thinking that we need to buy a tinny for fishing.

I have some boating experience - used to have a fishing mate many years ago with an inflatable and a 5HP outboard, so I know the basics. I also have done some sailing.

What is the minimum size tinny and engine HP, that I could safely use to go to places like rottnest (25km offshore) and other similar islands?

How much should I expect to pay?

Who has been through the new WA recreational skipper's licence - how involved and how $$$?

**Grumpy** · 21st January 2009, 09:13 PM

NONE !!!!

Wouldn't go over there in a boat under 28ft. 25' as a last resort.
Gage Roads gets very rough.
Check with Dept of Marine.
I got in early mine cost $10.00 or so, can not remember. Got CRAFT.

Tony

**lro11** · 21st January 2009, 09:24 PM

mmm how big a wallet do you have? I don't know your area but if it helps my father in law used to go to Moreton in a 14' clark on a GOOD day only , it had a 40hp mariner on it.

**isuzurover** · 22nd January 2009, 11:17 AM

Thanks guys.

Grumpy - I realise it CAN get very rough. I would only consider doing it when I was assured of good weather. People kayak to rotto!!!

lro11 - that was about the size I was looking at - budget should stretch to a good 2nd hand 4m tinny and 50HP motor... Based on Quokka (trading post) prices.

**Distortion** · 22nd January 2009, 09:05 PM

we've taken a 16 foot runabout across several times if the weather is a problem don't go by yourselves and follow a larger boats wake. The real key is experience find someone who goes over on a regular basis and go with them until you have a good feel for the weather

If you intend to go after crays your best chances are south side of the island up at the west end. This will often be worse than Gage Roads if you don't keep an eye on the swell but we've never had much problem

But if I was looking to buy a boat to do it on a regular basis I'd be looking at a heavier plate Ally boat about 7 1/2m with something around 90 on the back otherwise you'll just be bouncing around you'll get there but it won't be a pleasant trip.

**LandyAndy** · 23rd January 2009, 11:19 AM

Hi Ben
Im considering getting a boat,once the camper trailer project is finished.
I spent quite some time on Ebay last weekend.It seems $15 to $20K for quite a respectable size boat that isnt too old.
I doubt I can afford that much at the moment,a large dingy,ie 4.2m/50HP maybe the go for me as a starter boat,just limits the weather that it can be used in.
I really enjoy getting out in Grazs dingy when we go to Cape Riche,its only small so we can only go out when its calm,but it does the job and he can carry it on his camper trailer.
Give me the correct 6 numbers and I will buy a real neat 7m Trailcraft and you can be my deckie anytime

I too would like to know more about getting a skippers ticket.
Andrew

**isuzurover** · 23rd January 2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

ie 4.2m/50HP maybe the go for me as a starter boat,just limits the weather that it can be used in.

Hi Andy,

That is about what we are looking at too. Ideally, we would love a 30ft yacht with a 3.75m tender. However we can get the 4-5m "starter boat" first, and always use it as a tender if we end up getting a yacht down the track.

Here is the RST workbook
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/..._workbook3.pdf

I got all the practice theory tests right, so I think I could sit that one straight away. If you think you would have no problems doing the tests, you can do them straight away. Otherwise the courses seem to be $200-300 and take 1-2 days.

**slug_burner** · 23rd January 2009, 05:30 PM

I use to go out in a 4.2 Quinny with a 45 Merc then later in a 4.5 with a 75 Suzuki. Went the 75 when the kids got a bit bigger so we could use it for the odd bit of water skiing (went through the juice using a fishing hull to ski). Most recently we had a plate boat at 5.5 with a 135 Suzuki.

For going out to sea the 4.5 was better than the 4.2 as it was a bit more stable as well as that was the first flat floor(filled in floor) we got. Much easier to get around on instead of stepping over seats/pontoons and in the winter it provided a bit more insulation from the cold going straight up your feet.

I think your in the right ball park there with LandyAndy on the 4.2-5 territory.

**Distortion** · 23rd January 2009, 05:35 PM

Nothing wrong with the smaller boat tho much easier to tow up and down the coast on a trailer and light enough to launch from a beach =)

**5teve** · 28th January 2009, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Well, after seeing lots of people hauling in delicious lobsters etc in Tassie and WA, I am thinking that we need to buy a tinny for fishing.

I have some boating experience - used to have a fishing mate many years ago with an inflatable and a 5HP outboard, so I know the basics. I also have done some sailing.

What is the minimum size tinny and engine HP, that I could safely use to go to places like rottnest (25km offshore) and other similar islands?

How much should I expect to pay?

Who has been through the new WA recreational skipper's licence - how involved and how $$$?

I guess some has been answered.. im a bit late into this but i'll give you my 2 cents worth

we have a 6m boat, it is our first boat too.. its a pressed tinnie stacer ocean runner. we pretty much use it for everything, cruising, water sports, fishing etc etc.. for us 6m is a minimum size, we can sleep on it comfortably it handles rough seas ok and is capable of rotto with ease and economy. Our first trip to rotto was crap.. horrendous seas over there (but we were in a convoy) but the return journey was amazing, geordie bay to ocean reef in 40 minutes... flat as anything. it seems to be the case that one way will be good the other poor.

Over here we get pretty harsh seas.. if i was to go a second boat any time soon i would be looking at a plate ally boat with a real deep v to slice through the chop, i'd also be looking at 7-8m minimum.

i would really say a 5.5m is a minimum for safe rotto'ing tin or glass is personal preference, but bear in mind that tin generally rides a bit harder but takes more whacks (important when learning!)

skippers ticket is a priority.. can do it at most sea rescue places to.. will take a weekend including the theory and practical cost varies but 200 to 250 should do it..

as for price, get a boat trader and visit the yards, plenty are struggling and you should be able to pick up a bargain we paid 28k for ours december 2007 for a 4 year old boat with a 140 2 stroke (tohatsu) its done us proud for over 100 hours use and proved one of our anti tin friends completely wrong!

another tip.. join a sea sports club (like one at ocean reef) they have organised power boat outings that can be pretty good fun..

Originally Posted by Grumpy

NONE !!!!

Wouldn't go over there in a boat under 28ft. 25' as a last resort.
Gage Roads gets very rough.
Check with Dept of Marine.
I got in early mine cost $10.00 or so, can not remember. Got CRAFT.

Tony

would of loved mine for $10

a 28' boat would be very nice.. but not really very cheap.. have seen them as low as 40k for brand spankers tho on grays.. but then they are 2.54m wide which lays restrictions on you.

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Thanks guys.

Grumpy - I realise it CAN get very rough. I would only consider doing it when I was assured of good weather. People kayak to rotto!!!

lro11 - that was about the size I was looking at - budget should stretch to a good 2nd hand 4m tinny and 50HP motor... Based on Quokka (trading post) prices.

what is your budget if you dont mind me asking? some reasonable used older glass boats.. just got to watch for rot.. and some good old tinnies too but they dont lose much price.. and you have to watch for rot

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Hi Ben
Im considering getting a boat,once the camper trailer project is finished.
I spent quite some time on Ebay last weekend.It seems $15 to $20K for quite a respectable size boat that isnt too old.
I doubt I can afford that much at the moment,a large dingy,ie 4.2m/50HP maybe the go for me as a starter boat,just limits the weather that it can be used in.
I really enjoy getting out in Grazs dingy when we go to Cape Riche,its only small so we can only go out when its calm,but it does the job and he can carry it on his camper trailer.
Give me the correct 6 numbers and I will buy a real neat 7m Trailcraft and you can be my deckie anytime

I too would like to know more about getting a skippers ticket.
Andrew

They are good fun andy as you know.. specially if you can sleep on it too.. another form of camping really

if you get those 6 numbers then get a razerline or similar, will kill the trailcraft, but the trailcraft are good boats, next step up from the likes of our stacer and quinnies. Small boats are great for towability but limited use in the summer due to the sw winds, unless you are going to geographe bay.. stunning down there! or mandurah etc. winter is a fab time for getting the boat out, more calm day (amazingly) and more easterlies that flatten the water out.

contact your local (using the term loosly) sea rescue place and see about doing the course with them, im pretty sure the fee's go to funding the rescue boats etc.

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Hi Andy,

That is about what we are looking at too. Ideally, we would love a 30ft yacht with a 3.75m tender. However we can get the 4-5m "starter boat" first, and always use it as a tender if we end up getting a yacht down the track.

Here is the RST workbook
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/..._workbook3.pdf

I got all the practice theory tests right, so I think I could sit that one straight away. If you think you would have no problems doing the tests, you can do them straight away. Otherwise the courses seem to be $200-300 and take 1-2 days.

wouldnt we all... problem is the pen to keep it.. there isnt any round perth! nice to have something to aim for.. if i had a 30-40ft boat i wouldnt be at home much

Originally Posted by Distortion

Nothing wrong with the smaller boat tho much easier to tow up and down the coast on a trailer and light enough to launch from a beach =)

nope.. small boats are great for towing... ours is a nice compromise of size weight and towability.. 6m (l)x 2.5m (w) 3m (h on trailer) 1.5t with fuel and trailer. and the TD5 is a good choice for towing it

if i can help with any more info Izuzu let me know.. or PM me.. cant see where in perth you are from this post box

Thanks

Steve

ps here is 'Stubby'

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