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    Why do diesel tuners use EGTs and nor widebands

    Hi everyone,
    I'm looking into getting one of the perenties when they come out, and just have a few questions about turbo tuning.
    Before this the only engines ive played with are small petrol engines (under 1.3L) so theres a few differences.
    My main question is why are EGTs measured and tuned by instead of using a wideband sensor and tuning it that way? The same way the petrol motors i've played with do it.
    Is it so the exhaust doesnt overheat and blow out the exhaust gasket? Do diesels operate at a higher temperature than petrols and while a wideband would work, EGTs give an extra bonus of knowing when things will blow?
    Cheers,
    Joe

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    Joe,

    The single biggest difference between petrol and diesel engines is that excess fuel in a petrol engine can COOL combustion, in a Diesel it can and does heat up combustion and therefore the temperatures within the cylinders can actually melt piston crowns, turbocharger vanes etc etc, whereas a petrol engine can do the opposite- melt pistons with LOWER fuel to air ratios.

    More fuel = more heat energy and power in a diesel, but can be brought to destructive levels and still be running fine,

    JC

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    In addition to what JC said, diesels do not meter Air. So air (and therefore O2) levels will vary between 50% and 250%+++ excess depending on rpm and how much fuel you are injecting (i.e. accelerator position).

    O2 levels are irrelevant as long as your EGTs are within spec.

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    Thanks for the replies. Makes a lot of sense really. If something ignites with compression, then putting more of it in will only add more compression and so more power, more heat and the circle keeps going.
    Thanks again.
    Joe

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    its not quite that simple, especially if you're going to deal with a turbo'd engine.
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    Usually because EGT gauges are more robust than wide band O2 sensors in a diesel exhaust.

    You could tune with either, but there's a strong correlation between EGT and AFR on a diesel. The EGT self-corrects for high intake temps (i.e. clowns like me running 20psi with no intercooler) where an O2 sensor would only pick the change in density and not the temp increase.

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