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    Isuzu emissions standards?

    Hi folks, my 130 Dual Cab project has commenced and I need a bit of info.

    It is a 97 TDi and the donk has a cracked head 380ks and really ready for the tip.

    I have 3 options for the power plant 2.8 HS, 4BD1T or or 4JJ? (something) 3.1 Isuzu, which I know has been covered many times in different threads. Withe the 4BD1T being my first choice and the 3.1, the next option if I cant locate the appropriate info.

    I have downloaded all the current ADR's and info regarding standards for emmissions etc for the 130, but what I really need is the emmision specs/ standards for the 4Bd1T. i.e will it meet Euro 1 or the relevant ADR for the 97 130 being ADR79/80?

    State regs are not the main criteria for me but rather the Australian ADR's as a move to different parts of Oz is always on the cards and the vehicle will be staying with me..

    I have searched the site and the "Good Oil" section, sorry if I missed it but..
    Specifically: will a 4BD1T comply with the emmision standards for the 97 130?
    A link, copy/ picture of a compliance plate would be helpful?

    Thanks in advance and again sorry if I missed the relevant info somewhere.


    cheers

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    The Tdi has a label on the side of the engine saying that it complies with ADR 30/00 which first came in on the 1/7/76
    http://www.google.com.au/url'sa=t&rc...tTIbew&cad=rja

    So that would easily include the 4BD1T

    Also;


    • The first emission standards (apart from smoke standards) for heavy diesel fueled vehicles became effective in 1995 for all new models and in 1996 for all existing models. These emission standards were introduced via ADR70/00 (adopting ECE R49, US & Japanese HDV standards). The requirements of the 1995/96 standards were:
      • Required: Euro 1 for both light-duty and heavy-duty vehicles. Euro 2 and 3 were also accepted though not included in the regulation.
      • Acceptable alternatives: US EPA ’91 or ’94 (EPA ’98 was also accepted though not included in the regulation); 1993 Japanese exhaust emission standards for “light duty and medium duty vehicles” and 1994 Japanese exhaust emission standards for “passenger cars and heavy duty vehicles”.



    Emission Standards: Australia: On-Road Vehicles and Engines


    I think the 4BD1T is Euro II ??


    According to this current doc, the industrial version is 'Tier 2'


    http://www.shindaiwa.com.au/files/pr..._Range2008.pdf


    This doc has the CARB certification from '89 http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/...07_6d0-0d6.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    The Tdi has a label on the side of the engine saying that it complies with ADR 30/00 which first came in on the 1/7/76
    http://www.google.com.au/url'sa=t&rc...tTIbew&cad=rja

    So that would easily include the 4BD1T

    Also;


    • The first emission standards (apart from smoke standards) for heavy diesel fueled vehicles became effective in 1995 for all new models and in 1996 for all existing models. These emission standards were introduced via ADR70/00 (adopting ECE R49, US & Japanese HDV standards). The requirements of the 1995/96 standards were:
      • Required: Euro 1 for both light-duty and heavy-duty vehicles. Euro 2 and 3 were also accepted though not included in the regulation.
      • Acceptable alternatives: US EPA ’91 or ’94 (EPA ’98 was also accepted though not included in the regulation); 1993 Japanese exhaust emission standards for “light duty and medium duty vehicles” and 1994 Japanese exhaust emission standards for “passenger cars and heavy duty vehicles”.



    Emission Standards: Australia: On-Road Vehicles and Engines


    I think the 4BD1T is Euro II ??


    According to this current doc, the industrial version is 'Tier 2'


    http://www.shindaiwa.com.au/files/pr..._Range2008.pdf


    This doc has the CARB certification from '89 http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/...07_6d0-0d6.pdf
    The problem Rick is the Euro emissions standards for light vehicles are based on g/km whereas heavy vehicles are g/kWh. I am not sure which the 130 comes under???

    If the engine was the same year or newer as the original engine, then I don't think transport would look too closely, however the last 4BD1Ts were mid 90's. Basically when Euro1 came in for HV's in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
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    If the engine was the same year or newer as the original engine, then I don't think transport would look too closely, however the last 4BD1Ts were mid 90's. Basically when Euro1 came in for HV's in Australia.
    I think that's where companies such as KLR state they can't fit the 4BD1 to a post '95 Defender, even though the engine may well meet ADR70 (which was active from Jan. '96)

    Interestingly, under ADR70 these OS standards are acceptable;


    6.2 Alternative Standards (Clause 6).

    6.2.1 The USA Code of Federal Regulations, Part
    86, Sub-parts A and B - "Control of Air Pollution
    from New Motor Vehicles and New Motor Vehicle
    Engines: Certification and Test Procedures" for 1991
    model year 'light-duty vehicles", 'light-duty trucks"
    and "diesel heavy duty engines and vehicles", or for
    1994 model year diesel heavy duty engines and
    vehicles"

    6.2.2 The Council of the European Communities,
    Council Directive 911542/EEC of 1 October 1991,
    amending 'Directive 88177/EEC on the approximation
    of the laws of the Member States relating to measures
    to be taken against the emissions of gaseous and
    particulate pollutants from diesel engines for use in
    vehicles", as per the limit values in line A of the tables
    in section 6.2.1 and 8.3. 1.1 of Annex I to the
    Directive.

    6.2.3 The Council of the European Communities,
    Council Directive 911441/EEC of 26 June 1991,
    amending 'D irective 701220/EEC on the
    Issue 1: Page 6 of 7 CIRCULAR 70/00-9-1
    approximation if the laws of the Member States relating
    to measures to be taken against air pollution by emissions
    from motor vehicles".

    6.2.4 The 1993 Japanese Exhaust Emission Standards
    for 'light-duty and medium duty vehicles" and the 1994
    Japanese Exhaust Emission Standards for "passenger
    cars and heavy duty vehicles", as detailed in the Safety
    Regulations for Road Vehicles", Japanese Ministry of
    Transport Ordinance No. 67 of 28 July 1951, Article 31,
    as amended by Ordinance No. 3 of 27 March 1991.


    In January 2002 ADR 70/00 is superseded by ADR 79 for cars =< 3500kg GVM and ADR 80 for cars > 3500kg GVM (all Defenders fall under ADR 79 from 2002)

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    you have to meet the emission standards for the year of the chassis that your transplanting the engine into. (euro I for a 1997 landrover diesel anything)

    in stock form the 4bd1 is euro 1 compliant and can be tweaked to meet euro II Euro III or better needs aftercare treatment for the exhaust to the tune of a 3 way cat and DPF including ADblue or equivelent if you need to crack euro 4+ reliably.

    Euro 5 is achievable in theory but I wouldnt want to try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
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    in stock form the 4bd1 is euro 1 compliant ...

    Any proof of that Dave???

    And despite your earlier assertions that emissions compliance testing is cheap, ring these guys for a quote and see what they say:
    Emissions and Driveability | Testing & Calibration

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    Thanks for the responses guys.

    Dave, it was a post of yours in another thread which prompted me to consider the 4BD1. Is there a compliance plate fixed/ stamped to the 4BD1 or document ( suitable for proof of standard)? This would make the legalities of the swap a doddle to prove to the relevant body.
    I have no desire in attempting to prove emissions through testing. It is too hard, expensive from Alice.

    Info from the Chinese knock offs suggest Euro 2. Yet I think I may have to acquire specifically one of those engines for the documentation to be accepted by the relevant body.

    Further now I note I have stuffed up with the year model. I actually have build date of 10/95 and compliance date of 4/96. Compliance plate states built to standards of 1989. Sorry was looking at rego papers for the info in the first post.
    So in theory if a 4BD1 from a vehicle built to standards from 1989 should be ok?

    Rick my TDi has no plates on it maybe covered by muck.

    Can someone advise the standards on the compliance plate from an Isuzu County?

    Cheers

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    You could always have a look at these docuents between Isuzu Japan and Jaguar Rover Australia then later with British Aerospace, the remanufacturer contact for the perentie rebuild line.

    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/isuzu-land...ml#post1601998

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    Any proof of that Dave???

    And despite your earlier assertions that emissions compliance testing is cheap, ring these guys for a quote and see what they say:
    Emissions and Driveability | Testing & Calibration
    Isuzu 4BD1 complete engine

    Last time I had to do an emissions testing it was $50. turn up, start engine, drive onto rolling road then they stick the sniffer in the exhaust the partical trap on the end and away you go with your emissions cert for the vehicle. There was a call out rig sat there at the roadworthy place for about a week. from memory it also provided the required test details for the brake and handbrake performance (fun to watch on a series when it was raining one wheel would skip backwards the other would roll forwards and you would fail your handbrake test)

    fortunately till you hit euro III the emissions is basically taken care of by direct injection ,good injectors and fuel EURO III is when you need to start playing with electronics to hit the standards required but you can still cheat your way there by after care with a good 3 way cat and DPF.

    EURO 4 complaince means you're going to need the ADblue type stuff on the exhaust.

    The engine should come with a plate on it advising what standard its been setup for sometimes its attached to the pump others to the rocker cover
    on this one the plate would be attached to the raised part on the rocker cover or stamped on directly. I doubt you'll find this info on a pre 90 version of the engine.

    you'll often find that it will quote a jap standard for its setup, just find out what that spec means and bring a print out with you come compliancing time.
    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    That is a new chinese knockoff - not a genuine 4BD1 (AFAIK all built pre Euro 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    Last time I had to do an emissions testing it was $50. turn up, start engine, drive onto rolling road then they stick the sniffer in the exhaust the partical trap on the end and away you go with your emissions cert for the vehicle. There was a call out rig sat there at the roadworthy place for about a week. from memory it also provided the required test details for the brake and handbrake performance (fun to watch on a series when it was raining one wheel would skip backwards the other would roll forwards and you would fail your handbrake test)
    ...
    That would be the pre Euro (1976-on) smoke test....

    European emission standards for light commercial vehicles >1760 kg max 3500 kg. (Category N1-III & N2), g/km
    Tier Date CO THC NMHC NOx HC+NOx PM P
    Diesel
    Euro 1 October 1994 6.9 - - - 1.7 0.25 - CO NOx+VOCs/HC PM
    Euro 2 January 1998 1.5 - - - 1.2 0.17 -
    Euro 3 January 2001 0.95 - - 0.78 0.86 0.10 -
    Euro 4 January 2006 0.74 - - 0.39 0.46 0.06 -
    Euro 5 September 2010 0.740 - - 0.280 0.350 0.005 -
    I doubt you could find someone to do a test to the Euro drive cycle for less than a few $k. Especially if it will be used to try and show a pre Euro 1 engine has Euro 1 compliance.

    Fuel doesn't do much apart from reduce SOx. SOx isn't in the Euro emissions standards, it is in the fuel standard.

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