Thread: Engines from China

this is who I am talking with at the moment;

very helpful.

SCDC - MTU,CUMMINS,DEUTZ, ISUZU,KOMATSU,PERKINS diesel engine and spare parts

The big issue is quality control. Is the arrangement a simple licencing of the design or is quality control actually being supervised by Isuzu themselves.

The Chinese are excellent at copying things, but it seems unless the standards and quality control are set/supervised by the design owner, all you get is a cheap copy without any quality or reliability.

Their 4BD1 picture is not at all a faithful copy. It's your risk.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The big issue is quality control.

As always.

So far I've only found one south american guy who has used one, didn't save the link, but his general impression was good.

The market for re-powering land rovers is there, not a huge one admittedly, but it does surprise me not to find more examples of engines from china being used.

So, I guess the engine itself is not the issue per se, but the other logistics of the swap make it less of a concern overall. Perhaps, for similar money (3K) a recon engine is going to work out about the same amount of hassle, and the volume of swaps means there is enough supply of worn out isuzu engines to satisfy it.

the recons have the advantage of having been pulled apart and the quality of the re-con controllable to some extent.

Still, as pointed out, this 'isuzu licenced' claim needs investigating; what if there is good quality control and some backup out there? Perhaps in the generator suppliers area, or non automotive applications there is an established supply/dealer chain?

Just collecting some links here, don't mind me...

ISUZU:Principal Overseas Subsidiaries, Affiliates and Offices

from chinese salesman;
"There had established Join venture with China Vehicle or Engine Factory in Jiang Xi city and Chong Qing Factory"

http://www.jmc.com.cn/english/company/power.asp

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingling_Motors"]Qingling Motors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

http://www.isuzupowertrain.com/engli...evelopment.asp

http://www.isuzupowertrain.com/engli...sp?findid=1885

Diesel Engine (4JB1/4JB1T/4BD1) - China Diesel Engine,Diesel Engine for Isuzu

http://deutzengine.en.made-in-china....d1-6bd1t-.html

had an engineer talking to others about chineese petrol engines.one of those court rulings about vehicles with engine failures then deamed unroadworthy as they didnt meet adr specs.

at a fraction of the price these replacment forklift engines fitted to hilux utes failed as they had been cheeply assembled and not fit for automotive use.
he said it would have gone for years as emerergency generators.

Thanks Davehoos,

thats the type of info I was looking for.

Seems though that Isuzu has factories in China to produce spare parts. My thinking now would be to price up what all the spares would cost to build a complete engines, that way each compontent can be individually assessed/tested (hardness etc) before assembly.

the way I figure it, I have two choices -recon one, or bring one in in pieces using genuine isuzu parts.

I onced worked on an Chinese imported Komatsu excavator powered by a "cummins" engine.

We needed a fuel pipe and some other engine seals for it, gave the engine details to our contact at Cummins, he returned our call and said he couldnt find anything in the system for it. We told him it was an Chinese import, and he said "because it was a Chinese version of a Cummins motor they couldn't (probably more like wouldn't) supply parts for it and we would have to go to the dealer in China".

Komatsu couldn't help us either as it was an import and "not a model they stock parts for".

Might not be the same for all imported engines etc, but be aware you may not get a lot of help from the Australian manufacturer or supplier when you require parts or service back up.

Plus the engine was a bucket of ****, and leaked like a sieve. My boss was glad to see the back of it when he sold it.