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    Hi, I found a small rusted Isuzu truck, a 1987 NKR585A, which has been fitted with a bigger motor and five speed box, do not know which one. It was originally a 3.3 Liter, 4 speed, but they say it now has a bigger motor and a five speed Gearbox.

    The engine number on the block is 112025.

    They do not know what Isuzu motor they put into it.

    So how can I work that out.

    It has new clutch, and needs new ring gear.

    last Rego was paid on 04-12-2009. Was told ring gear went a few weeks later, so it has been sitting a while, rusting.

    Have not made an offer yet, so do not know how much, but need to know what the motor is, for a planned swap.

    Also is a ring gear fitted expensive???

    Also is the adapter kit for a transfer onto the MSA Gearbox--assuming it is a MSA gearbox-- How do I tell-- still available.
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    Last we heard was that Sheldon (The Grubb) was tooling up for a production run of the MSA to LT230 adapters, but haven't heard anything for several months.

    Like you I'm looking/waiting for his adapter kit too. My 6X6 project is stalled waiting for it.

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    They were all 5 speed. So possibly expect a msb box with the cover on the sides, not top like the msa.
    Look for engine letters on the side of the block. Can you view the truck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    They were all 5 speed. So possibly expect a msb box with the cover on the sides, not top like the msa.
    Look for engine letters on the side of the block. Can you view the truck?
    It is parked near a wall in a crowded Yard of Cars to be repaired. I viewed it through the LH door today-- should have looked for a turbo, but did not. prefer a Non-Turbo 4BE1 I think, but will not worry if it has a Turbo.

    So I can look at the truck when that yard is open. Did not see engine letters, but did not know where to look. Only seen that yard open twice, once last week, when I found out who owned it--it is a block from his business, and today when I found the engine number and compared it to the expired Rego papers, of which I do have a copy. He-- a dealer, who appears not to deal much--he is a bit out of the way, and may be semi retired, and many of his cars have been their for years--gave me that photocopy for info on that truck.

    I have been looking at that truck wondering if it is an Isuzu, and wondering why it was parked there for several years now, I guess since a few weeks after Rego was last paid as dated in my first post.

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    Look at the bottom L/H side of the block. This is where the engine type is cast into it.
    Turbo and non turbo 4BD1's are all marked 4BD1, no T for turbo.

    Cheers, Murray
    '88 County Isuzu 4Bd1 Turbo Intercooled, '96 Defender 130 CC VNT
    '85 Isuzu 120 Trayback, '72 SIIA SWB Diesel Soft Top
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    They were all 5 speed. So possibly expect a msb box with the cover on the sides, not top like the msa.
    Look for engine letters on the side of the block. Can you view the truck?
    So is the adaption for both model gearboxes the same. And if we can get an adapter kit will it fit both??? Can someone please answer that question.

    If kits cannot be sourced is one of these gearboxes easier to adapt than the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    Last we heard was that Sheldon (The Grubb) was tooling up for a production run of the MSA to LT230 adapters, but haven't heard anything for several months.

    Like you I'm looking/waiting for his adapter kit too. My 6X6 project is stalled waiting for it.
    So please does anyone know if a kit is coming, or is there any other kit???

    How hard is it to adapt without a kit-- I assume this has been done???

    Or should we forget the idea of a Isuzu???

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    A kit made by one person can surely be made by someone else, but reinventing the wheel.

    Maybe I'm stoopid, but I am waiting and hoping for Sheldon to be on top of it. Also hoping that he's actually O.K. - has anyone heard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnF View Post
    So is the adaption for both model gearboxes the same. And if we can get an adapter kit will it fit both??? Can someone please answer that question.

    If kits cannot be sourced is one of these gearboxes easier to adapt than the other.
    Bellhousing is the same adaption. May require a different clutch spline.
    Gear linkages are completely different. They will adapt fine to cables, but linkages would need a complete redesign from Sheldons effort.

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    I have fitted a MSB gear box to a 4bb1. Then made a adapter to use a lt235 transfer. Gear selection was very easy to sort out and works a treat. If thiis is a Isuzu motor and box then all you need is the transfer adapter and gear selection to sort out.
    Cheers Hall

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