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Thread: Isuzu Flywheel housing three bolt 12V STARTER

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    Isuzu Flywheel housing three bolt 12V STARTER

    G,day everyone, I was hoping to find out If the 4BD1T Isuzu NPR trucks in Oz used a 3 bolt 12V starter or are they all 24v two bolt starters. Over here In Canada they are three bolt 12v starters. I am just in the beginning stages of starting a 4bd1t swap into my 1991 defender army ambulance / camper Photos of the truck are in the introductions and general chat section. Any way I've been tring to sort the flywheel housing and mate it up to my gearbox. Does anyone want to part with the Isuzu / Rover Flywheel housing am willing to make a trade or buy it. I have two flywheel housings one from a 1990 automatic gearbox 4bd1t with flywheel and one from a 1988 4bd1t with a 5 speed gear box also with the flywheel.

    Here's a photo of the flywheelhousing from the 1988 4bd1t with a standard 5 speed isuzu box You can see it is almost like the landrover / isuzu housing with three bolts for the starter.



    the one from the engine with the automatic box is the same just doesn't have the drain plug under the starter fitting. I also have the 12v starter for it if anyone is interested. I found the photo below on rijidij post about his 4bd1t swap into his county. He did an amazing job with his swap. It was his post that showed me what parts I need to find. Or does anyone know if there is an adapter plate I can use. At least the housing I have can take a 12V starter.

    Here's the photo of the landy flywheel housing he used it also shows the one he took off the engine I noticed it only has two bolts for the starter.



    I hope someone can offer some advice. Or some solid info on where to buy the correct parts to swap a 4bd1t into a 1991 Defender 130 V8

    Cheers
    Justin
    Last edited by 130 ambulance; 16th August 2008 at 08:03 PM. Reason: error

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    AFAIK all of the trucks here had 24V, 2 bolt starter motors and the flywheel housing as shown in the last pic.

    I doubt there are any of the Land Rover version flywheel housings available anywhere except for used ones from/in Land Rovers (and they are not easy to come by).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush65 View Post
    AFAIK all of the trucks here had 24V, 2 bolt starter motors and the flywheel housing as shown in the last pic.

    I doubt there are any of the Land Rover version flywheel housings available anywhere except for used ones from/in Land Rovers (and they are not easy to come by).
    Thanks Bush, not what I wanted to hear!!!!! I didn't think it was going to be this hard to find a 4bd1t Isuzu / Landy engine flywheel housing. But surely someone must have found a way around this with an adapter plate of some kind. I STILL THINK
    THERE MUST BE A HOUSING SITTING AT A WRECKER OR IN A WORKSHOP SOMEWHERE. I THINK... IF ANY OF YOU HAD ONE IT WOULD BE A WELL GUARDED SECRET

    I'm still hoping someone will spill the beans and tell me they have one for sale

    Cheers, Justin
    Last edited by 130 ambulance; 20th August 2008 at 04:10 PM. Reason: added wording

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    Quote Originally Posted by 130 ambulance View Post
    Thanks Bush, not what I wanted to hear!!!!! But surely someone must have found a way around this with an adapter plate of some kind. THERE MUST BE ONE SITTING AT A WRECKER OR IN A WORKSHOP SOMEWHERE. I THINK... IF ANY OF YOU HAD ONE IT WOULD BE A WELL GUARDED SECRET

    I'm still hoping someone will spill the beans and tell me they have one for sale

    Cheers, Justin
    I have never seen an adaptor. 2-bolt (24V) starters are cheap over here, and 3-bolt (12V) are $$$$$$$. I know a couple of people who installed truck 4BD1s, and didn't want to stump up the $$$ for the starter, so they just use a switch/solenoid to connect their dual batteries in series for starting.

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    My 24V one had been rewound to 12V
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    Isuzu flywheel Housing

    Sorry guys, I guess I wasn't very clear in my reply to Bush65 I was trying to reply about the flywheel housing. Is there a flywheel housing adapter plate to mate the isuzu 4bd1t to an lt85 or lt95 box with V8 bellhousings as it is so hard to find the Isuzu / Rover flywheel housing I have two choices right now. I already have an LT85 in my V8 powered 130 ambulance and an lt95 out of an old V8 101 Vampire that I could use behind the 4bd1t with an adapter plate. If their is such a thing or I could keep looking for the genuine Isuzu / Landy flywheelhousing and gear box bellhousing. I just thought an adapter plate would be the easy thing to do. Has anyone done this? Can you get a kit in Oz? If anyone has these parts PM me I'll send a big bag of cash express post!!!! AKA pay pal

    Sorry about the mix up I'll edit my post an see if I can make sense

    Cheers, Justin

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    Quote Originally Posted by 130 ambulance View Post
    Sorry guys, I guess I wasn't very clear in my reply to Bush65 I was trying to reply about the flywheel housing. Is there a flywheel housing adapter plate to mate the isuzu 4bd1t to an lt85 or lt95 box with V8 bellhousings as it is so hard to find the Isuzu / Rover flywheel housing
    Zenith Engineering in Brisbane used to make such a beast, but don't anymore, and AFAIK they have no stock left.

    Plenty of people have made their own 4BD1-R380 adaptors.

    Isuzudieselswappers has adaptors to a few common (non rover) transmissions. That might be an option for you.

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    G'day All, I wrote a post about this topic 2 weeks ago here it is in case you missed it,, "G'day All, Nice unit Justin, it looks to be ex british army by the registartion number.
    The Isuzu adaptor parts you are looking for are as scarce as rocking horse dung, short of buying a Series 3 Stage 1 with a Isuzu eng/4 speed G/box or a dead 110 fitted with the same, I doubt whether you would be able to buy the parts, maybe a as a long shot someone here might know if the parts are still available from a Rover outlet/dealer, although we get asked a few times where can I get such an item, no-one has come back and said from your local friendly L/Rover specialist, anyway mate good luck and cheers Dennis"
    looks like it's proving to be a challenge, I know of a 110 Isuzu unregistered here in Cessnock but the owner will want mega bucks for his P.O.S as he calls it now, anyway good luck cheers Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinty View Post
    G'day All, I wrote a post about this topic 2 weeks ago here it is in case you missed it,, "G'day All, Nice unit Justin, it looks to be ex british army by the registartion number.
    The Isuzu adaptor parts you are looking for are as scarce as rocking horse dung, short of buying a Series 3 Stage 1 with a Isuzu eng/4 speed G/box or a dead 110 fitted with the same, I doubt whether you would be able to buy the parts, maybe a as a long shot someone here might know if the parts are still available from a Rover outlet/dealer, although we get asked a few times where can I get such an item, no-one has come back and said from your local friendly L/Rover specialist, anyway mate good luck and cheers Dennis"
    looks like it's proving to be a challenge, I know of a 110 Isuzu unregistered here in Cessnock but the owner will want mega bucks for his P.O.S as he calls it now, anyway good luck cheers Dennis
    Hi Dennis,

    Thanks for your post! PM has been sent. Yes, sorry I did miss that, and you are quite right. It is an Ex British Army Ambulance from a training Base close to me here in Alberta, Canada. A bit of good news though, It looks like I have found the Proper flywheel Housing, flywheel and pressure plate, I will know for sure in the next couple days. All Brand new original parts Just need to sort the Clutch plate and gear box bellhousing now. Not sure if I will go with the LT85 5 speed or the Lt95 If anyone wants to jump in with some advise on what path to take and why please do. Also if anyone has either setup for sale PM me with details.

    Cheers, Justin

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    G'day Justin,
    I got your email etc but I've been in Outback Australia for 4 weeks, so haven't been able to reply untill now.
    A mate of mine who works on Land Rovers for a living was easily able to source a brand new flywheel housing for me last year, as well as a flywheel. The housing part number is 8944419332. I think it is a genuine Isuzu part number by the look of the label that came with it.
    Not sure if I will go with the LT85 5 speed or the Lt95
    As to which gearbox to go with, I think you will find 'most' 4BD1t owners will say the Lt95 is the best option to be able to handle the touque of the turbo engine. That's if you're just talking about Rover boxes, especially if you have the split casing Lt85 which is the weaker version.
    The 5 speed is good as far as having an overdrive gear to keep the revs down at high speed, but the high ratio transfer gears in the Lt95 are fairly easy to change also, it depends just what you want from your engine. I chose to go with 1.113 gears in my Lt95. These are standard gears from early Rangies and the next closest to the standard Landy Isuzu gears at 0.999 which I thought would be a bit 'tall' for what I wanted. I've been more than happy with the performance from the turbo engine so far running a maximum boost of just under 10psi.
    Also, if you go for the Lt95, make sure you get the turbo pressure plate for the clutch. I made the mistake of using a non-turbo one thinking it would be ok as it was brand new, but it just couldn't handle the touque.

    Cheers, Murray
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