Thread: Outer Axles: Help- Identification / Trivia :)

Originally Posted by nukblazi

Wish I knew the answer to that one. Comparatively, there is a lot of information out there on the Landie, not many authoritative answers. Jeep, is easy in retrospective. Yep, I am an american, with a hard on for the NAS D90. Living in Oz, and own a D110. Jeeps are easy and cheap, this sounds like a basket case.

Jeep is only easy because that is what you are used to.Defenders are just as easy,as they are a basically simple design.But it is just a matter of separating the fact from fiction on the inter-web
My wife is American,and couldn't understand the Land Rover thing at first,but it didn't take her long.Now she wouldn't have a Jeep

Originally Posted by nukblazi

For clarity, or confusion...

No brand mentioned in paperwork. Gosh this was hard to quote.

"GREASE BRGS. & REFIT TO HUBS WITH H. DUTY OIL/ GREASE SEALS. REFIT HUBS & ADJUST WHEEL BEARING PLAY. INSTALL TWO MODIFIED DRIVE FLANGES, 'LOCK STUD' BOLTS AND TENSION"... "REFILL SWIVEL (+20% FOR HUBS) & ADD GEAR OIL TREATMENT"

Nov. 11 1998, Safety Service Centre Forestville, NSW

That description of work is pretty straight forward.

Let's deal with the rear end first. Since it has a maxi-drive locker which operates properly, it must have maxi-drive half shafts (land rover speak for axles).

Now the front and the post that I have quoted here.

Maxi-drive don't make cv's, but they do make better drive flanges than stock and these seem to be what are fitted from the photo and this is what it is saying in the bold type part of the quote.

What cv's or half shafts are fitted we can't tell from anything here. If upgrading back then, the better way was to fit maxi-drive half shafts, 110 cv's and maxi-drive flanges. The mechanic doesn't mention this unfortunately.

Later maxi-drive flanges look different because of a modification to suit those using some particular alloy wheels (doesn't affect steel wheels.

Thanks John.

Are the landy axles full/semi float? Can you still roll out of the bush if you snap one?

Full floaters mate

And you'll have rear Maxi Drive axles, they were supplied with the locker (and needed due to how a Maxi locker works)
You'll be doing well to snap one.

Front CV's are another matter though.

I would have thought that if 110 cv's had been fitted then the flanges would be
MDE OH62 (62mm overall height) to allow for the longer cv's.

Jim

Originally Posted by yt110

I would have thought that if 110 cv's had been fitted then the flanges would be
MDE OH62 (62mm overall height) to allow for the longer cv's.

Jim

You lost me mate. I am still learning. Confirmed aftermarket flanges upfront. Look identical to the rear. Not sure at all about any internals in the front axle unfortunately.

@rick130; giddy up. I honestly can't believe the maxi-drive locker still works! The mate I bought it off of never used it in 10 years... so only original owner used it. Good product I reckon.

Originally Posted by Bush65

What cv's or half shafts are fitted we can't tell from anything here. If upgrading back then, the better way was to fit maxi-drive half shafts, 110 cv's and maxi-drive flanges. The mechanic doesn't mention this unfortunately.

Are the CVs you mention, the stock Landy 110 CVs, or something different? Suppose I won't know until I take it apart.

Currently, what is the recommended set up for the front?

Thank you. Appreciate all the information.

Originally Posted by nukblazi

You lost me mate. I am still learning. Confirmed aftermarket flanges upfront. Look identical to the rear. Not sure at all about any internals in the front axle unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by nukblazi

Are the CVs you mention, the stock Landy 110 CVs, or something different? Suppose I won't know until I take it apart.

Currently, what is the recommended set up for the front?

Thank you. Appreciate all the information.

When Land Rover (not talking Range Rovers here) changed to coil springs, the only models made available in Australia were the 110 station wagon, with either 3.5 litre V8 or 3.9 litre Isuzu diesel engine (often called the County because they had County trim and decals on the doors) and a 4x4 or 6x6 cab-chassis, which had the chassis stretched (in Australia) from 110" to 120" wheel base (thus often called the 120).

The above is confusing, and especially frustrating to purists, when people call 110's, County's or Defenders and Defenders, 110's.

These particular 110's had the strongest stock cv's available in a Land Rover (apart from the 101 - but we don't want to consider those).

When the Land Rover Discovery was introduced they changed the model name of the 110 to Defender. Both the Discovery and Defender had a new Land Rover diesel engine, the 200Tdi and there were some other changes, including narrower wheel hubs (wheel bearings closer together), weaker cv's, and 24 spline front differentials.

So if we want to fit the stronger cv's that came with the earlier 110 into a Defender (or Disco, or RRC) with narrower hubs, a custom drive flange is needed to accommodate the longer stub shaft of the earlier cv. This was a popular modification using Maxi-drive axles and flanges. Maxi-drive also made flanges to suit other cv's and this is what yt110 was referring to. I can't tell from the angle of your photograph, if your front flanges are the longer ones for the earlier 110 cv or not, but I think yt110 may be correct and you have the weaker cv's.

The half shafts for the later cv's are smaller at the outer end (to suit the cv), so changing to the earlier cv enables the axle to be stronger because it doesn't step down in diameter.

These days, stronger aftermarket cv's are available (Ashcroft are probably the leading supplier), and converting to earlier 110 cv's is not so popular.