Thread: Relocation cones

Do yourself a favour and just retain the springs top and bottom. Cones are for posers.

Haha not that helpful my understanding is if the landrovers are able to flex like they can why not let them flex. Leaving tyres on the ground instead of floating in the air increases traction aswell as stability this with an ATB diff should be able to get me just about anywhere I want to go. So ill be a poser if that helps haha

Hey Patchy don't worry about the haters.

I used the Terrafirma hardware, including steel cones etc. In retrospect I think the Gwynn Lewis stuff is better, I have no experience with the poly cones.

The steel stuff isnt heavy enough to worry about and as far as noise goes, it is noisy but poly cones won't change it. 20% of the noise is the spring contacting the cone and the other 80% is the spring unseating/reseating. The poly cone wont change any of that. You can hear a disconcerting 'Twang' when it unseats if the spring is a snug fit in the top bracket, the cone wont change that either, as it's the spring itself 'twanging'.

Know what I mean?

Gwynn Lewis and TF both have the spring retained at the bottom, FYI. For me it all came down to price. I bought each component individually over a few months at the best price I could find. But I think hardware kits come pretty cheap.

Originally Posted by Patchy

Haha not that helpful my understanding is if the landrovers are able to flex like they can why not let them flex. Leaving tyres on the ground instead of floating in the air increases traction aswell as stability this with an ATB diff should be able to get me just about anywhere I want to go. So ill be a poser if that helps haha

If you see landies (or any other vehicle) with dislocation cones in action you will notice they are jerky and unstable when dislocating/relocating.

A dislocated wheel has no ground pressure. If you compared 2 identical (unlocked) landies, except that one had dislocating cones and one had the same coils fully retained, the dislocating landie wouldn't get any further, and may even be worse. Retaining the rear coils causes the front to work harder which gives more balanced travel.

In short - dislocating coils are for RTI ramp queens. You won't see dislocating suspension on a serious offroad competition vehicle.

hay mate,

Just installed lewis copies, the hook versions, The rangie keep popping out the springs, on the extreme stuff, We are running Procomp shocks and dobison progressive springs, nothing fancy but the shocks have huge travel. The set up is amazing, really happy, AND drives like my daily rangie. We have retained them on the bottom. We run twin lockers as well, just incase.

I'm new to the dislocation cone thing, Will let ya know when we go out next how it goes.

cheers nat

Sorry for the hijack here but:

"If you see landies (or any other vehicle) with dislocation cones in action you will notice they are jerky and unstable when dislocating/relocating.

A dislocated wheel has no ground pressure. If you compared 2 identical (unlocked) landies, except that one had dislocating cones and one had the same coils fully retained, the dislocating landie wouldn't get any further, and may even be worse. Retaining the rear coils causes the front to work harder which gives more balanced travel."

Acknowledge what youre saying about dislocated wheel with no ground pressure, thats accurate. But the fact that the wheel is on the ground provides you more stability, and in a similar situation a vehicle without as much travel is going to have that wheel in the air; which means that the only thing that will get you past that point is lockers. I'd take a dislocated wheel on the ground over wheels in the air any day.

My thoughts are the same and I understand that the tyre thats dislocated wont have much force on it and will try to spin but still better than 2 feet on the air im looking at fitted ATB's front and rear so this small amount of traction should be enough to engage it in theory and when its not tracation control should help the rest...

also thanks ill have a look at the gwynn lewis gear seems to get good reveiws.

Cheers Brian

Have a look at the Mega flex cars like grimaces, psimpson etc...all retain there springs.
Check out the superior engineering front arm thread. Mine are now retained, makes the front work more.
Dislocating springs definitely look cooler