Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 43

Thread: Great failures.

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Back down the hill.
    Posts
    29,873
    Total Downloaded
    0

    Great failures.

    There have been no shortage of very ordinary cars that became extraordinary successes, such as Morris Minor, Mini, Beetle and Corolla, but what about the converse.
    Which cars were absolutely brilliant but total failures?

    I'll kick off with the Citreon SM, arguably the downfall of the longstanding manufacturer, was in typical Citreon fashion, light years ahead of its counterparts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_SM

    As a point of interest, the double chevron trademark, was representative of Citreon's use of herringbone gears.
    If you don't like trucks, stop buying stuff.
    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/signaturepics/sigpic20865_1.gif

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Ballarat,Vic,Aus
    Posts
    3,916
    Total Downloaded
    0
    I haven't driven many SM's. They really are the ultimate DS. It's a shame they always tried to sqeeze in under the engine capacities for taxation in france. Citroen owned maserati at the time. Rather than fitting there existing quad cam quad carby V8, they lopped of 2 cylinders creating a quad cam triple carby V6 (that's also used in the merak). I've worked on a Maseratie Khansim in the past too... The maserati and citroen cars from that era have a bizarre combination of parts. Eg: the Khasnim has a modified version of the Citroen SM diravi steering, high pressure hydraulic citroen brakes. and uses the citroen hydraulics to adjust the front seats and lift/lower the headlights. Very bizarre.

    It's a shame an SM is so far out of my price range. Strangely we have a business in australia dedicated to importing and doing high quality restorations on SM's

    Citroen SM Australia

    Dunno how he keeps afloat given there basically an unknown car.

    For those who don't know Citroens, imagine a 2 door coupe, citroen hydraulic suspension (yes it goes up and down and self levels),

    =center point steering (you can completely loose a front wheel and the car won't veer)
    =rear track is much narrower than the front for high speed stability.
    =The steering work on the same principle as a light aircraft. There is no direct connection between the steering wheel and front wheel when it's pressurised. It's only 2turns lock to lock and aggressively centers itself at speed. Yet is finger tip light at parking speeds.
    =That big bank of 6 headlights, the inner four turn with the steering wheel, the outer two (low beam) self level as they are hooked back to the anti-roll bars.
    =the high pressure brakes, all your doing is opening a valve to allow high pressure hydraulics to flow into the braking system. There's no brake pedal, it's just a rubber "blob" on the floor that looks like an overgrown dimmer switch.

    I'd have one tomorrow if I had the $$$ to fund it's purchase.

    What killed these off was Citroen built these and the Citroen GS Birotor at the same time.

    Citro?n GS Birotor 1

    This bankrupted them (yet again) and the cars hit the market at the same time as the fuel shortage hit in the 70's .... killing them off in record time. Infact the factory tried to buy back all the rotaries to crush them so they wouldn't have to supply parts for them in the future.


    seeya
    Shane L.
    Proper cars--
    '92 Range Rover 3.8V8 ... 5spd manual
    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I :burnrubber:
    '63 ID19 x 2 :wheelchair:
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas
    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual :zzz:
    '11 Poogoe RCZ HDI 6spd manual

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    St Helena,Melbourne
    Posts
    16,794
    Total Downloaded
    1.13 MB
    NSU R80, quite advanced for the time yet loathed for some reason.
    MY08 TDV6 SE D3- permagrin ooh yeah
    2004 Jayco Freedom tin tent
    1998 Triumph Daytona T595
    1974 VW Kombi bus
    1958 Holden FC special sedan

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Avoca Beach
    Posts
    14,162
    Total Downloaded
    0
    NSU R80, quite advanced for the time yet loathed for some reason.
    AFAIR the rotor seals lasted about 2 times around the block.
    It took Mazda many years to get them reliable.
    Regards Philip A

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Western Victoria
    Posts
    14,101
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    I'll kick off with the Citreon SM, arguably the downfall of the longstanding manufacturer, was in typical Citreon fashion, light years ahead of its counterparts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_SM

    As a point of interest, the double chevron trademark, was representative of Citreon's use of herringbone gears.
    WOW! I want one.


    Oh, another great failure.
    The XA GTHO.
    http://www.gtho4.com/
    Have a read as to why it failed.

  6. #6
    cuppabillytea's Avatar
    cuppabillytea is offline Loud Mouthed Rat Bag Gold Subscriber
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Lillyfield NSW
    Posts
    7,836
    Total Downloaded
    0
    I always fancied a Citroen. A Godess would do for me though.
    Thanks to Ian i no longer have to wonder what a goat has to do with a lemon.
    Cheers, Billy.
    Keeping it simple is complicated.

  7. #7
    cuppabillytea's Avatar
    cuppabillytea is offline Loud Mouthed Rat Bag Gold Subscriber
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Lillyfield NSW
    Posts
    7,836
    Total Downloaded
    0
    What about P76 ( The whole project). It started out with similar intent to the SM, but ended in OZ as a half baked answer to the big three's big sedans.
    Cheers, Billy.
    Keeping it simple is complicated.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Bundaberg Qld
    Posts
    7,036
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    WOW! I want one.


    Oh, another great failure.
    The XA GTHO.
    www.gtho4.com - Ford Falcon GT-HO Phase 4
    Have a read as to why it failed.
    Although there were 4 XA GTHOs, only one has "H" as an engine code and it is Calypso Green. The 3 red ones started life as "normal" XAGTs.


  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Western Victoria
    Posts
    14,101
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by pop058 View Post
    Although there were 4 XA GTHOs, only one has "H" as an engine code and it is Calypso Green. The 3 red ones started life as "normal" XAGTs.

    At the time they were ordered to be destroyed I think only one was complete, the Alan Moffat car.
    The green one was owned by a dentist who sometimes used it to tow his caravan.

    I find it interesting the reasons for it's demise when compared to what is available today.

    A knee jerk reaction killed what was going to be a very desirable Aussie muscle car.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Canberra/Melbourne
    Posts
    1,711
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    There have been no shortage of very ordinary cars that became extraordinary successes, such as Morris Minor, Mini, Beetle and Corolla, but what about the converse.
    Which cars were absolutely brilliant but total failures?

    I'll kick off with the Citreon SM, arguably the downfall of the longstanding manufacturer, was in typical Citreon fashion, light years ahead of its counterparts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_SM

    As a point of interest, the double chevron trademark, was representative of Citreon's use of herringbone gears.
    You don't see many of these. There used to be an old French lady who had a large house in Mowbray in the hills behind Port Douglas who had one. She had a husband called Otto who used to drive her around like a Chauffeur. I think her name was Mrs DeShernberg. Excuse the spelling. I have no idea. She had heaps of cats and her house was a mess but she brought a special bit of culture to Port Douglas back then, her and Otto in their Citroen. Thanks for the memories.
    [SIGPIC]

    2012 LR Defender 90 (BERT) Gone
    2012 Husqvarna WR 300
    2014 FPV F6 Gone
    2005 D3 SE V8
    2011 D4 V8
    2016 Moto Guzzi California Audace.

Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Search AULRO.com ONLY!
Search All the Web!