What do you replace a Humvee with?

**Pedro_The_Swift** · 14th February 2010, 09:56 AM

U.S. Army to give long-serving Humvee honorable discharge?

by Jeremy Korzeniewski (RSS feed) on Feb 13th 2010 at 1:31PM

United States Army HMMWV (Humvee) - Click above for high-res image gallery

The military-spec High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV, or Humvee) has had a long and honorable lifespan, for sure. But there's no arguing that American troops in Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else the U.S. military is active need a new vehicle that's been designed and built to counter modern warfare tactics.

This being the case, it's not terribly surprising to hear that the final 2,620 Humvees have been ordered from Mishawaka, Indiana-based AM General by the U.S. Army. In total, AM General has produced 240,000 Humvees since 1985.

Just as the Humvee replaced the original military Jeep some 25 years ago, today's replacement is seen as a response to a revised set of needs in the battlefield, not the least of which is adequate protection from improvised explosive devices, or IEDs. More than 1,700 U.S. troops have died in Iraq alone from IEDs as of last month, and the military is responding by switching to Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, or MRAPs, and the M-ATV from Oshkosh.

The Humvee story isn't yet over, however, as the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force still have many of them in service. What's more, the Army's latest budget includes nearly a billion dollars to maintain its existing fleet of Humvees. Also keep in mind that the Humvees used for military purposes are not the same as those sold under the civilian Hummer brand, which General Motors is still working to sell to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery of China. For more Humvee goodness, check out the high-res gallery below. All photos are courtesy U.S. Army.

**pop058** · 14th February 2010, 02:19 PM

The HMMWV and the Hummer have no common blood line between them at all. A very good marketing exercise as the Hummer is basically a "Silverado" ute with lots of gold chains and it hat on backwards.

Paul

**Travis1070** · 21st February 2010, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by pop058

The HMMWV and the Hummer have no common blood line between them at all. A very good marketing exercise as the Hummer is basically a "Silverado" ute with lots of gold chains and it hat on backwards.

Paul

Hi Paul..

Unfortunately you dont know what your talking about

The H1 is built on exactly the same AM General assembly line as the HMMWV, it shares all the same mechanical components as the HMMWV, the only major difference being the HMMWV is a 24volt electrical system, and the Civilian H1 is 12v to make it more compatible with the civilian world, the Civy H1 also has all the mod cons that you would expect in a normal 4x4, that the military version doesn't, the only major off road difference is that the HMMWV fitted with a deep fording kit can ford 5ft of water standard, where as the Civy H1 can ford 2.5ft of water standard.

The Deep Fording kit works by taking crank case pressure to pressurize the entire drive line through the vent lines, diffs, hubs, fuel tanks, engine, gear box and t/case.. the Civilian Hummer can't be fitted with this as the electrical is not completely water tight, but they have done their best, by keeping everything very high off the ground.

Up until 1999, there was only one Hummer, now known as the H1, the H1 name only came around in 99 when General Motors took over marketing of the Hummer Brand, and in turn made the H2 and H3 as they felt it would open the Hummer up to a broader range of people as not everyone could afford a 100k vehicle.

Unfortunately some people relate the H2 and H3 to the H1, when really the H2/H3 only shares one thing in common with the H1 .. The name!!

As for the HMMWV coming to an end, the final contract runs out in 2019, AM General has the ECV which is a replacement for the HMMWV, and is also trailing some other military vehicles, the ECV is built on a similar frame to the HMMWV, but is quite a bit better for cargo carrying capacities..

**Lachlan_** · 1st March 2010, 09:49 PM

oops...

**THE BOOGER** · 1st March 2010, 09:55 PM

I think POP was refering to the h2/3, Hi,s are real 4x4s h2/3 are bling only

**slug_burner** · 1st March 2010, 11:38 PM

There is a program called the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Light_Tactical_Vehicle"]JLTV[/ame] that is looking at selecting the HMMWV replacement.

Here is an image of one possible design

this one is lockheed's

A few more pics can be found http://images.google.com.au/images'sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4SNYN_en-GBAU304AU304&q=joint+light+tactical+vehicle&um=1&i e=UTF-8&ei=-cGLS_TiMoqAsgOh4JyFAw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&c t=title&resnum=4&ved=0CB8QsAQwAw

**abaddonxi** · 2nd March 2010, 08:12 AM

Nah, a H1 I can hack, but I don't think the replacements are going to work for me on the school run.

What were they thinking?

**VladTepes** · 6th March 2010, 02:16 PM

They ought to go with a Bushmaster but they won;t because its not American.

Free trade has to apply to us but not to them, you know.

**THE BOOGER** · 6th March 2010, 03:33 PM

I think they looked at the bushmaster but wanted to build it over there

Thommo · 6th March 2010, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

I think POP was refering to the h2/3, Hi,s are real 4x4s h2/3 are bling only

So you only watch "bling" US TV shows.

The H1 is a 4X4 light-medium truck designed as a weapons platform and modular configuration for a plethora of heavy duty tasks.

The H2 is a 4x4 light truck and when NOT blinged up is a formidable off road vehicle as any GM light truck chassis based vehicle can be (when equipped for off road and NOT bling) for peat's sake these things (GM Light Trucks) are used all over the world in mining and logging operations hauling loads that many LR's would cringe in fear.

The H3 is a 4x4 passenger vehicle which in its own right is still a capable off road-er.

Unfortunately the "Bling" TV shows often show the negative incarnations of what can be a capable 4x4.

Thommo

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