Thread: Uluru at peace.

Originally Posted by stealth

I was there in April and climbed it.
I have no doubt whatsoever that it will be open to climb again in the future. But I’ll bet by then you will not be allowed to climb it for free.
Then again the world ends in less than 12 years so what will it matter.

I think you might have hit the nail on the head here.
With no climbing, the tourists will slow right down, be it either “length of stay” or “what’s the point, it’s just a rock”. People go there now, or we’re going there to climb it, but quite often on arrival decided it was to hard, so “chose” not to climb. Now that “choice” is gone, there’s a fair chance they’ll opt to just not go.
If the tourist dollars don’t come in, something’s going to give,,,, or someone will give in.

As said previously on here, when we were there about 40 odd years ago,, we were encouraged by the real “on-site traditional owners” to climb and enjoy the view. The only place off limits was the ceremony cave around the side where one of the elders resided. As we went passed though,, he still acknowledged our presence with a wave.

There are my facts and there are your facts, Bob. It's just that simple.

Excuse the juxtaposition, but life isn't as black and white as you interpret things.

We all live in the grey.

Originally Posted by Chops

I think you might have hit the nail on the head here.
With no climbing, the tourists will slow right down, be it either “length of stay” or “what’s the point, it’s just a rock”. People go there now, or we’re going there to climb it, but quite often on arrival decided it was to hard, so “chose” not to climb. Now that “choice” is gone, there’s a fair chance they’ll opt to just not go.
If the tourist dollars don’t come in, something’s going to give,,,, or someone will give in.

As said previously on here, when we were there about 40 odd years ago,, we were encouraged by the real “on-site traditional owners” to climb and enjoy the view. The only place off limits was the ceremony cave around the side where one of the elders resided. As we went passed though,, he still acknowledged our presence with a wave.

Sorry, I have to call you out on that. For a start, the number of tourists climbing had dropped to 16%, which means 84% visited Uluru for a different experience. 40 years ago, the traditional owners were displaced by ' fringe dwellers ' out to make a buck. It wasn't until 1985 that Uluru and Kata Tjuta were returned to the traditional owners. And it was from that point that the Anangu , began asking visitors not to climb the rock. The Board of the Uluru / Kata Tjuta National Park made the decision in 2010 that when the % of visitor numbers climbing the rock dropped to 20%they would stop the climb. 26th October 2019 was chosen as the closure date because it was the 34th anniversary of the return to the traditional owners.

You are so far off the mark about thinking visitors only go there to climb. And don't put money on it coming back, you'll lose. The present board have in place numerous activities for visitors, many for the first time. Overseas visitors still flock to the rock , I'd bet numbers will increase, not fall. Last word from me, the irony, perhaps lost on the climbers, is that the only place for KM's around where it's not possible to really appreciate the majesty and spiritual pull of Uluru, is from on top of it.

Originally Posted by VladTepes

There are my facts and there are your facts, Bob. It's just that simple.

Excuse the juxtaposition, but life isn't as black and white as you interpret things.

We all live in the grey.

You'll forgive me if I don't agree with that .

You continually prove my point Bob - if someone has a different view to you, then you are quite disrespectful to them.

You do it time and time again.

Me? I am just lying down for an afternoon nanna nap

Originally Posted by grey_ghost

You continually prove my point Bob - if someone has a different view to you, then you are quite disrespectful to them.

You do it time and time again.

Me? I am just lying down for an afternoon nanna nap

"Sanctimonious" is the word I would use.
We all have our opinions, do I expect everyone to agree with me?!!!.....NO WAY, BUT,....I just love a good discussion.
With respect to this discussion, 72.55% of Aulro forum respondents disagreed with the climbing "decision". Are they right or wrong?..who knows, but for sure we should all be entitled to our opinion without any form of derision.
Pickles.

Hey Pickles,

I forgot that the supercars at the Gold Coast is on!

Originally Posted by grey_ghost

You continually prove my point Bob - if someone has a different view to you, then you are quite disrespectful to them.

You do it time and time again.

from what ive seen, anyone with a different opinion to bob, he'll call ignorant.