Thread: Uluru at peace.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Now you're just being obtuse.

In response to a ridiculous question, Ian. Uluru is not a gravesite.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Mt Kailash is not man-made, the sacred rocks in Japan are not man-made, the sacred trees in Japan are not man-made, Mt Athos is not man-made - a religious site does not have to be constructed to be sacred.

Can you reasonably explain why man made sacred sites relate to a big rock in the Northern Territory?

Originally Posted by johntins

These so called 'traditional owners" main tradition was not to "own" anything at all. They were stone age nomads for 40,000 years.

Now it's my turn to allege your ignorance, John. The Indigenous did believe in ownership, however their concept differed from ours in that their community possessed the land, rather than an individual.
May I recommend you read 'Dark Emu", it's available as an electronic download, at a very reasonable price and most enlightening.
Our explorers wrote a very 'convenient' account, either to suit the whitefellas' situation, ignorance or both.

Friday essay: Dark Emu and the blindness of Australian agriculture

If the podcast is still available, it's well worth listening to, as well.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

are you seriously suggesting that you have a right to just go on in?

Why not? Any creek or river allows you to cross private land, as no waterway can be owned by an individual. Did you not know that? What's wrong with applying that logic to natural wonders? Oh, wait, said natural wonders might have some religious significance, right? Like the Yarra River in Melbourne, it seems. We MUST change its name to one somebody made up. I say made up, as there is not one person alive who knows what it used to be. Given there were many tribes who popped in, it may need multiple names. Great. Can I still paddle a canoe in it, or will that offend someone?

Originally Posted by johntins

In response to a ridiculous question, Ian. Uluru is not a gravesite.

Gravesites are not the only sacred places. Sacred is different things to different cultures and individuals.

Originally Posted by Eevo

yep. its the since then. it wasnt sacred before.

didnt make sense to me either.

Since then.... Could not agree more, let's make a buck.

Originally Posted by 101RRS

Not quite true as clans claimed territory as their own and the borders were understood by neighbouring clans - any one caught on neighbouring clans land without an invitation usually got the chop and sometimes eaten.

While different in the way modern peoples do things - similar basic rules still applied.

Garry

Selective interpretation, Garry. I even stated "They were tribal, and often attacked other tribes if they encountered them.".

That does not take away the fact that they were tribalistic, stone age nomads with no concept of Nation. I sometimes envy them this. Doesn't mean I have to listen to someone who wants to make a buck out some claim of ownership. I'm happy to share, in fact I'm one of the most egalitarian people you are likely to meet. But I cannot agree to this "it's ours, not yours" mentality that activists are promoting.

40,000 years, allegedly, and nothing, no claim, no flag, no totem. Some cave paintings that none of them understand. Did they even paint them, or were they from before, like the cave paintings in Europe and Asia.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Gravesites are not the only sacred places. Sacred is different things to different cultures and individuals.

All true, and also of no meaning. If we are to acknowledge all sacred sites then best we don't move. You live in Ipswich. Is there a sacred site you aren't aware of near you?? Bob couldn't grasp why I mentioned where he lives as a potential site, but you are maybe smarter than him, or not....
If you listen to the activists, the whole continent is sacred, and Cook and Phillip committed an act of war just arriving here. If you ask me, I'd say they were bloody lucky that it was the Poms who arrived first. If it had been the French or the Dutch there would be no Aborigines left to argue who owned a rock in the middle of the continent.

And then some runt apologised. FOR ME! I wan't here. My Great Great Great Grandfather wasn't here. What a joke.

I refuse to acknowledge some rule that has been installed retrospectively by individuals that have no right or claim. The plight of the students at the middle of the QUT debacle a couple of years back should make you think. The whole thing was a disgusting play on what we are SUPPOSED to think. It failed, thankfully, but it will happen again.