Aussie Swag Camper with Defender hubs

actually I was thinking I might try and get our spare alloy on the sereies that should give me some idea.

I'm assuming the sereies drums on the front must be around 10" wouldn't they?

at least that would give me some idea as to whether the boost alloys will fit over them

10" electric drum hubs for a Defender are an off the shelf item, same PCD as a D1.

All you should need to do is make sure the offset is the same as the wheel on your camper now.

Oh and for those D2 owners, Holden Commodore stud pattern is the same as the D2,120PCD, you just need to change the studs to 14mm, you'll need to shorten the studs by about 2 or 3mm as the studs are a bit long when using D2 nuts and alloys, but if you get steel rims you won't need too, just leave the cruiser 9/16 studs in there, I can't see the Japs using 9/16 studs on cruisers, seeing as they are a metric country and all jap cars are metric or is this just that trailer makers are too lazy to make their studs metric and join the rest of Australia, aren't all 4WDs metric??

Why are we still making new products in Imperial:confused::confused:

Baz.

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Originally Posted by Redback

I can't see the Japs using 9/16 studs on cruisers, seeing as they are a metric country and all jap cars are metric or is this just that trailer makers are too lazy to make their studs metric and join the rest of Australia
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Correct - all trailer components have imperial studs not sure why, maybe tradition (early Holden, Ford studs are imperial), maybe because alot of our large gear comes from the US, or maybe its cheaper to continue with the current toolings....

what this means is if you buy a "Landrover" trailer hub it will have 5/8 studs. LandCruiser 5 stud will be 9/16. Landcruiser 6 stud & Ford will be 1/2. HT will be 7/16.

As Baz said New Landcruisers are M14, Older Landcruisers and M12. Defender/D1 as we know are M16

Geez, we keep on reinventing the wheel.
If you do a search my travails are documented.

Harlie has it correct BUT there is a trap.

If you want to use alloys you MUST get blank hubs and have them drilled yourself for LR studs. ( or you can have another set of holes drilled by a machine shop.)

The reason is that the 5/8 studs supplied by ALKO have a larger diameter Knurled area than LR 16MM studs so they flop around in the holes.

The LR 16MM studs are a bit shorter than the ALKO ones so you have to countersink the stud hole a little ( just measure the emerged length to be the same as on the car). Any competent machine shop will do it.
So I recommend you have your existing hubs redrilled and buy a set of LR studs from a LR specialist.

BTW the hubs are most likely to be ALKO parallel bearing with 10" electric brakes if the trailer is independent suspension, as this is what Camp'o'matic used and Assie Swag and Camp'o'matic were both built by AS for a while. These use 2 falcon rear wheel bearings.
Regards Philip A

Philip reinventing the wheel....??? only one person has said yes to my question and that was for a D2 not a defender:lol2:.

i originally asked this question on another camper I was going to buy but bought a different camping....if I knew that most campers were the same when it came to fitting hubs I wouldn't of asked the question in the first place.

thanks for the info.

i was just hoping for something I can buy and put on with out to much buggering around. looks like thats not the case

is it safe to redrill 5 holes in a hub that already contains 6? would that not weaken the hub...is that what you did?

Hmmm, I do not know about 5 into 6.

I originally and naively bought 2 new drums from ALKO. the first set turned up with 1 drilled to 6.5 PCD and 1 to some other PCD. And both had small studs .

So I complained and they sent another set. This time they were both 6.5 PCD but had imperial studs. I contacted the manager of ALKO but got no satisfaction. ( I told him LR had been metric since about 1970, and he answered that they were in the caravan industry not the car industry)LOL

So mine have 5 new holes in a 5 hole 6.5PCD hub.

I can only suggest that you make up a template from your Defer and then look to see how it fits on the 6 stud rim. Even if one new stud is near an old hole maybe you could have the hole welded.
I have kept my original drums with Toyota spacing for if and when I sell the old girl.

Regards Philip A

Dullbird,

My original post was in 2007

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Are all 6.5 inch PCD Land Rover nuts the same pitch?

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It tells the long sad story.
Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by dullbird

Philip reinventing the wheel....??? only one person has said yes to my question and that was for a D2 not a defender:lol2:.

i originally asked this question on another camper I was going to buy but bought a different camping....if I knew that most campers were the same when it came to fitting hubs I wouldn't of asked the question in the first place.

thanks for the info.

i was just hoping for something I can buy and put on with out to much buggering around. looks like thats not the case

is it safe to redrill 5 holes in a hub that already contains 6? would that not weaken the hub...is that what you did?

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Hmmm, I do not know about 5 into 6.

I originally and naively bought 2 new drums from ALKO. the first set turned up with 1 drilled to 6.5 PCD and 1 to some other PCD. And both had small studs .

So I complained and they sent another set. This time they were both 6.5 PCD but had imperial studs. I contacted the manager of ALKO but got no satisfaction. ( I told him LR had been metric since about 1970, and he answered that they were in the caravan industry not the car industry)LOL

So mine have 5 new holes in a 5 hole 6.5PCD hub.

I can only suggest that you make up a template from your Defer and then look to see how it fits on the 6 stud rim. Even if one new stud is near an old hole maybe you could have the hole welded.
I have kept my original drums with Toyota spacing for if and when I sell the old girl.

Regards Philip A

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My saga with AL-KO and other trailer manufacturers started back in late 2005 about 12mths after I got my D2 and as with PhillipA I had no joy either, everyone could supply Def and D1 hubs no problem (albeit with Imperial studs) but D2 PCD, no way, even after I told them it was the same PCD as a Commodore (oh BTW Holden have been metric since the commodore was introduced:twisted:) but I found one trailer place in Melbourne that would do it, put 14mm studs in a hub in 120PCD, but when they sent me the hubs they were wrong, they got the diameter right, but the drum width was 3" instead of two:eek:
So I rang them and they said, that was the way they were supposed to be, I SAID yeah if they were 10" yes, but mine are 9, in the end they sent me the correct ones, they don't do D2 hubs anymore with 14mm studs.

To get what you want you have to do it yourself if you own a Land Rover, which what I did when I changed to Disc hubs, I bought some Commodore disc hubs and had the 12mm studs pressed out and the holes re-drilled to suit 14mm studs.

The rest of the industry has changed, but AL-KO hasn't, they remain stuck in the 60s when everything was imperial:twisted::twisted:

Baz.

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Then you need to ensure that the offset of your LR wheels is the same as the wheels supplied, or you will need to replace the axle as well.

The supplier I use in BNE has a list for LANDROVER 10" HUB DRUM S/L - $72 +GST each.

What bearings are on the trailer now?

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Am going through this at the moment...have to replace trailer axle anyway and existing hubs are near shot. Recently obtained 3 excellent rims to match the P38... can you pls advise the name of the supplier and are the hubs OK for disco 2 ?p38 or are they D1/Defender etc?

cheers

hoges

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My saga with AL-KO and other trailer manufacturers started back in late 2005 about 12mths after I got my D2 and as with PhillipA I had no joy either, everyone could supply Def and D1 hubs no problem (albeit with Imperial studs) but D2 PCD, no way, even after I told them it was the same PCD as a Commodore (oh BTW Holden have been metric since the commodore was introduced:twisted:) but I found one trailer place in Melbourne that would do it, put 14mm studs in a hub in 120PCD, but when they sent me the hubs they were wrong, they got the diameter right, but the drum width was 3" instead of two:eek:
So I rang them and they said, that was the way they were supposed to be, I SAID yeah if they were 10" yes, but mine are 9, in the end they sent me the correct ones, they don't do D2 hubs anymore with 14mm studs.

To get what you want you have to do it yourself if you own a Land Rover, which what I did when I changed to Disc hubs, I bought some Commodore disc hubs and had the 12mm studs pressed out and the holes re-drilled to suit 14mm studs.

The rest of the industry has changed, but AL-KO hasn't, they remain stuck in the 60s when everything was imperial:twisted::twisted:

Baz.

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thanks for all your info... I've read all the posts...I think...:(

I have my P38/D2 wheels (16") but am still unsure how you resolved the issue of hub snout diameter and the smaller D2/P38 wheel centre hole:

So just to be clear...a couple of questions if you don't mind:

1. do you have over-ride hydraulic dics brakes?

2. when you bought the Commodore disc hubs, apart from replacing the studs, did you have to get your D2/P38 wheel centres enlarged to fit over the end of the hubs ?

cheers

Hoges