Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 18

Thread: Electric Brakes not locking up

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Queensland
    Posts
    3,435
    Total Downloaded
    0

    Electric Brakes not locking up

    Just built a trailer, single axle with 10" brakes. Simple controller on drawbar with rotary control.Empty trailer weighs about 700kg but brakes wont lock up on bitumin with controller set to max.
    Pulled hub to see how they work. The electromagnet tries to stick to outside face of drum and gets pulled in direction of rotation. This rotates an arm around a pivot and pushes on the shoe. Problem seems to be it only activates the front shoe going forewards and the rear shoe going backwards. I rang the manufacturer and he said it moves both shoes but I cant see it.
    Has anyone come on this problem before or is this as good as it gets?
    I might add I am getting 14 volts at the controller with engine going then 12 volts on the blue wire going to the magnets. The 2 magnets are pulling 5.18 amps.
    It will lock empty on a gravel drive but not on tar. Thats a bit poor , what happens when I load it.
    Didiman

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Gold Coast
    Posts
    3,775
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Re trailer brakes, if working correctly 10" electric brakes adjusted to full on an empty trailer will lock up the wheels the moment you touch the pedal in the slightest way.
    They should in fact still be able to lock it up if adjusted anywhere over 50% depending on the weight of the trailer.

    My caravan has 10" brakes and fully loaded at about 2.5 ton I can pull up the Disco from 60 kph just using the trailer brakes quite easilly.

    Good luck sorting it out.

    cheers,
    Terry
    Cheers,
    Terry

    D1 V8 (Gone)
    D2a HSE V8 (Gone)
    D3 HSE TDV6 (Unfortunately Gone)
    D4 V8

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    NSW SW Slopes
    Posts
    12,045
    Total Downloaded
    0
    The magnet arm has flats at the pivot that spreads the shoes apart. If 1 moves when going forwards and the other when going backwards then the spreading is working. Perhaps the shoes aren't adjusted properly and only the ends of the shoes are contacting the drum. Otherwise if there's a leading and trailing shoe they could be fitted backwards, ie to the wrong side of the trailer. If so, swap shoe positions on the backing plate and put the outer face inwards.
    MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
    VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa

  4. #4
    walc100 Guest
    Have you got enough adjustment wound on?

    Wind it up until you hear it dragging and then back off a couple of notches. It should have no problems locking up being that light. What size wheels have you got on it.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Queensland
    Posts
    3,435
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by walc100 View Post
    Have you got enough adjustment wound on?

    Wind it up until you hear it dragging and then back off a couple of notches. It should have no problems locking up being that light. What size wheels have you got on it.
    I have it wound up untill I feel it dragging when I spin the wheel. Tighter than I would normally do on the Landy brakes.
    I have 7.50 x 16,s on it. I wonder if its the bigger wheels.
    I emailed Dexter Brakes in the US. These are supposed to be a locally made clone. They said that both shoes are supposed to work even though it only looks like one shoe is being used at a time.
    I dont get any braking untill the rotary control is at least half way.
    I will just have to use it and maybe the shoes will bed in

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Queensland
    Posts
    3,435
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    The magnet arm has flats at the pivot that spreads the shoes apart. If 1 moves when going forwards and the other when going backwards then the spreading is working. Perhaps the shoes aren't adjusted properly and only the ends of the shoes are contacting the drum. Otherwise if there's a leading and trailing shoe they could be fitted backwards, ie to the wrong side of the trailer. If so, swap shoe positions on the backing plate and put the outer face inwards.
    The magnet arm has this square block above the pivot point so when the magnet is moved to the left the block moves to the right, only bearing on one shoe. The handbrake has a double ended cam so bears on both shoes.
    The axle was supplied with brakes attatched so I would hope the were in the correct place. I will pull the hubs and have another look.

  7. #7
    walc100 Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by 123rover50 View Post
    I have it wound up untill I feel it dragging when I spin the wheel. Tighter than I would normally do on the Landy brakes.
    I have 7.50 x 16,s on it. I wonder if its the bigger wheels.
    I emailed Dexter Brakes in the US. These are supposed to be a locally made clone. They said that both shoes are supposed to work even though it only looks like one shoe is being used at a time.
    I dont get any braking untill the rotary control is at least half way.
    I will just have to use it and maybe the shoes will bed in
    With those big wheels you might have too have them fairly tight for the bed in process until the shoes are formed to fit, after that you might find they need less travel to be effective.

    How the surface for that the magnet runs?

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    NSW SW Slopes
    Posts
    12,045
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Does the magnet arm actually have a 3-cornered block with the 4th round so as to make both shoes move in 1 direction but only 1 in the other, and that axle has been fitted with the 2 shoe movement operating in reverse rather than forwards?
    MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
    VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Queensland
    Posts
    3,435
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Okay, pulled left hand hub so you can see the setup. Front is to the LHS.
    First pic is of brake at rest.


    Second pic is with magnet arm moved back[ to right] so square block moves shoe to left or front as trailer is going right to left. Only the left shoe moves.


    Third pic is with magnet arm to left as if trailer is in reverse. Square block now moves only the other shoe. Left shoe does not move.


    If the pivot was where the square block is , it would rotate and the opposite corners would push both shoes at the same time no matter if in forward or reverse.
    As it is I cant see how both shoes can work together.
    But then it has been said that I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
    Didiman

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    NSW SW Slopes
    Posts
    12,045
    Total Downloaded
    0
    It appears that only 1 shoe is meant to move when looking at another brand so probably no problem with that. However, the other brand has a full lining on the front shoe and a 3/4 lining on the rear shoe, starting back from the shoe's leading edge, so as to provide more braking going forwards than in reverse. I can't tell for sure from your pictures, but your front shoe seems to have a short lining like the rear shoe, or maybe the rear shoe's lining isn't quite so short. Perhaps you have rear shoes all round rather that 2 front & 2 rear or just the shoes the wrong way round.
    MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
    VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Search AULRO.com ONLY!
Search All the Web!