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    D3 Rims on a Boat Trailer

    Guys,

    My boat trailer's 17 year old tyres and D1 steel rims need replacing and am wanting advice on changing to D3 rims. It has served me well and trips have included the Gibb River Road and a rather nasty trip between Cook Town and Bathurst Bay.

    eBay rims and tyres seems to be a good option so before I dive in and buy a set, the first issue is getting my head around how it all comes together.

    For starters, a couple of Trailer Hubs which have the same bolt spacing and thread so I can use D3 Rims and Wheel Nuts.

    Considering I have Stainless Steal Sleeves on the axle for the seal to run on I have convinced myself that purchasing proper D3 hubs might not be the best option... (or is it?)

    I have checked more than a few trailer web sites and have had no luck and hoping the collective wisdom of the Forum can help.

    Has anyone made a D3 wheeled trailer?
    If so, what advice would you give?
    Also, where did you get the hubs?

    Thanks in advance and looking forward to your responses.

    Cheers PK

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    Trailer hubs Commodore PCD and fitted with 14mm studs. I think there's a few threads on here. I don't know how the centering ring matches though.
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    There's a little bit more to correctly changing the rims fitted to trailers. You can buy adapter rings for the centre hub but the bigger concern is with the change in rim diameter. The lateral forces generated on the tyre when cornering greatly increased the load at the bearing/hub/stub axle area (basic lever arm concept). So if you look through say alko's (trailer component manufacturer) website you will see there is a a marked change in components when you go from 13" to 14" to 15/16" rims etc.

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    Thanks and I currently run D1 rims with a massive hub and bearings to match on a solid 50mm square axle.

    I was kinda hoping there would be a swap over hub for the axle which would let me refurb the existing setup. I am aware the lateral forces are a killer for the larger diameter tyres. I have actually seen the results of up-sizing the rims on garden trailers a few times... mostly embarrassing... sometimes catastrophic.

    I called Al-ko and it would seem that ~$450 should sort it out. Includes the possible need for a new axle to match the new bearings etc.

    First step is to buy some D3 rims and tyres then get the new dimensions.

    Thanks for your help guys.

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    I had plans to replace the 14" rims on my small van with D3 rims (17" X5 rims actually) and 12" brakes but the pcd is too small for the HD hubs that are req'd for 12" brakes. According to the Vehicle Components catalogue 10" brakes with 790mm tyres are only good for 1.4T yet a 50mm sq axle & SL bearings with 790mm tyres is good for 1.6T, but that is still less than the 1.8-2.0T I'd like. I intend investigating if its posible to do a 120mm pcd HD hub in case the limiting factor is the Commodore rim's centre hole not being large enough to fit over the HD hub. I have been advised by 1 trailer parts supplier that the HD hubs cannot be drilled for 120mm pcd but perhaps a special order is possible.
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    Check with bodzed57 after he has his issues on his Cape York trip sorted http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/...-flashing.html

    Before leaving on his trip he had his camper trailer converted to take D3 wheels and I believe had its brake drums changed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    I had plans to replace the 14" rims on my small van with D3 rims (17" X5 rims actually) and 12" brakes but the pcd is too small for the HD hubs that are req'd for 12" brakes. According to the Vehicle Components catalogue 10" brakes with 790mm tyres are only good for 1.4T yet a 50mm sq axle & SL bearings with 790mm tyres is good for 1.6T, but that is still less than the 1.8-2.0T I'd like. I intend investigating if its posible to do a 120mm pcd HD hub in case the limiting factor is the Commodore rim's centre hole not being large enough to fit over the HD hub. I have been advised by 1 trailer parts supplier that the HD hubs cannot be drilled for 120mm pcd but perhaps a special order is possible.
    Track Trailer (I think it was the Brisbane outlet) have built trailer hubs to fit the 18" rims I supply, so it's certainly possible. It took a while to do the first time, no doubt they could do it better 2nd time around.

    Cheers,

    Gordon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    HD hubs cannot be drilled for 120mm pcd but perhaps a special order is possible.
    Naaaaah... Don't drill a wheel. Sounds like too much paperwork "in the unlikely event of an accident" etc.

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    Drill the hubs to a particular pattern instead of the more popular patterns, not drilling the rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    Trailer hubs Commodore PCD and fitted with 14mm studs. I think there's a few threads on here. I don't know how the centering ring matches though.
    A reliable contact (and Google) have told me that BMW, late model Commodore and Discos have the same PCD so you should be OK.

    I have seen many options for BMW rims and have been very tempted considering the cost (even second hand) compared to the D3 option.

    The issues I struggled with, due to my own lack of engineering knowledge, included thread depth, wheel nuts and hub strength required for the size of the tyre.

    The conclusion I am arriving at is coloured by my desire to take the D3 and Boat to the Cape so matching rims makes more sense.

    The guy at Al-Ko is going to match the Disco PCD, Bolt, thread and length of the studs so I can use standard D3 wheel nuts with the right number of turns.

    The hub choice will include the capacity for the additional lateral forces.

    The only hurdle for me is the price of the D3 rims and tyres second hand are a little prohibitive so I have a little time and will use it.

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