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    Is a Trailer not Slept in Still a Trailer?

    Hello All,

    Firstly, I do realise that the reference to "trailers" is made in relation to sleeping - camping ... "camper" trailer. However, it does say the word "Trailer". So I will take a liberty ... I picked up my new 3048 mm X 2133.6 mm (10 x 7 feet) flat top trailer on Thursday 29th of August. I drove down from Bundaberg with my 2004 VY Commodore Wagon to the Gold Coast. I bought the trailer off the internet - sight unseen. I had the list of materials and dimensions; then compared it to the local suppliers.

    One of my brothers is a boiler maker and originally made a trailer for our dad. I bought the trailer off dad when he downsized his vehicle. A couple of years ago I put a "ute" crane on this trailer - however I needed a bigger trailer. My brother suggested it is more economical to buy a "cheaper" trailer. This trailer can be used as a basis to upgrade off to suit your specific needs - than to make a trailer from "scratch". Or perhaps he had just grown tired of spending his weekends making trailers for other people?

    I just got back from my first trip with a load from Brisbane back home to Bundaberg. It was a "shake-down" trip for a longer event that will happen next week.

    Having been through the trip I learnt a couple of things.
    1) soon as I saw my new trailer in the flesh I had a re-run of an old Jeep advertisement from TV flash through my brain. You know the one where a dad brings home a new Jeep. A little toddler looks at the new Jeep and then turns to a little tinnie in their yard. The toddler says, "looks like we are gonna need a bigger boat". I saw the trailer and I thought to myself, "OMG looks like I need a bigger car!"
    2) Do not feel embarrassed about sitting in one's car and typing in the GPS address from your notes about how to get from the dealer's place to the nearest transport inspection site so the trailer can be registered. I thought I will just drive the trailer out of sight from the yard and then I can pull over somewhere and take my time. Nope, there was no where to pull over within cooee - then damn I was on a freeway. It took a while to find a safe place to pull over and a quick trip turned out to be a long one.
    Take a ratchet drill and some tek screws with you when you pick-up the trailer - newly registered trailers need a number plate fitted to it. Thanks Harry for helping me out.

    My first load: Just because you have lots of rachet tie-down straps does not mean they will fit the tie-down rail of your new trailer.
    Lucky for me there was a Bunnings - within a 10 minute walk. Second lesson: when you are in Bunnings; or any close-by hardware store; do grab a range of different sized "D"shackles - do not put them down and walk out of the shop. When I looked at the safety chains after the trailer was loaded I had to shorten a couple of more links. The "D" shackles I had on the trailer and in my car were not the right size for the new trailer's safety chains.

    Forklift drivers who show off by going fast down a slope towards your car which causes the pallet to slide off the forks and break the pallet equals a gift that just keeps giving. The pallet breaking meant that the metal straps that held the load down to that pallet become loose. The extra - "you never know if you might need them" ratchet tie-down straps were fully utilised the first time I pulled over to check the load. The second stop resulted in my finding still more room for improvement and I bought two extra tie-down straps for the broken pallet's load. The extra strapping solved the problem with no further adjustments or further straps needed.

    Thank you to Harry Ho Har for the advice about safety chains from earlier this morning too.

    Future Changes: duplicate the headboard frame so that the trailer also has a tailgate frame.
    Add on at least one storage box to the trailer. My trip went by without any need for tools. However, during my trip home if I did have to access any tools it would have meant unloading the back of the wagon and accessing the spare tyre compartment.
    When I drove the last section of the country roads home in the dark the sides of the trailer looked pretty dark behind me. Some side clearance lights are on the shopping list. Okay I like nice shiny lights on a trailer! In all seriousness though - I think some people who overtook me tonight got a bit of a surprise about how wide the trailer was when they went past me.
    Before I unload the trailer tomorrow I am going to take it to a caravan place to see how much advantage a set of load levellers would make to improving the geometry and the towing quality. Of course they will say that the difference will be wonderful - then they will ask me for my EFTPOS Card... "While I have your card ... do you want to buy some magic beans?"

    Outside mirror extensions. While I could see vehicles behind me the "blind-spot" did increase. I like to see what is coming up behind me.
    An electric winch is on the shopping list and the "Ute" crane from my old trailer will be swapped over onto the new one. This was discussed in a previous thread.

    As mentioned previously - this trip helped solve a storage issue that I have had for over a decade in my "new" shed. It also was a "shake-down" run for an interstate trip next week. I am much more confident that the car and trailer will handle the next task .

    I am going to buy more ratchet-straps tomorrow - "you never know when they might come in handy".

    With the trailer loaded the back wheels and suspension still had adequate clearance. The car did not bottom out on bumpy roads or in potholes. Still ... I would like more of the back tyres showing. The car's steering was firm and the trailer followed really well behind the car.

    Oh - another thread mentioned how getting a new higher capacity tow-bar fitted does not mean that you should expect that the trailer lights should be tested by the fitter and that the lights should work. Anyway, after going to an auto-electrician to get the trailer lights sorted out, I also had the new headlight assemblies that I had stored away fitted to the car. The difference the new headlights made tonight was amazing. I reckon I could see stuff off to the side of the road that I have not seen in years. I did a five hour trip at night a couple of weeks ago with the old headlights. I covered some section of the same road tonight with the new headlights - the difference in vision and ease on the eyes tonight was really chalk and cheese. Hmmm now if I add some driving lights too... I wonder?

    What mob had the electric winch and driving light kit in their latest catalogue? That's right....

    Kind regards
    Lionel
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    I don't get the subject ?, a trailer is trailer.
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    Nice looking trailer mate - and I'm fairly certain that it wouldn't bother most of us if you choose not to sleep in/on it

    gsoh!

    If you end up getting load levellers Lionel, be really careful of the stresses that they place on your vehicles and also on your tow setup - simpler in my book to watch your weight distribution and keep a sensible down load on the towball - plenty on the net how LLs can cause real problem - hopefully we'll see what others post.

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    Nice looking trailer.

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    Lionel it seems you have a fetish about Tie Down Straps as I am told I have for Torches. (family joke)

    You can never have enough Tie Downs as I can't with the latest LED torches.

    I don't have a Trailer anymore but I enjoyed your Post. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87County View Post
    Nice looking trailer mate - and I'm fairly certain that it wouldn't bother most of us if you choose not to sleep in/on it

    gsoh!

    If you end up getting load levellers Lionel, be really careful of the stresses that they place on your vehicles and also on your tow setup - simpler in my book to watch your weight distribution and keep a sensible down load on the towball - plenty on the net how LLs can cause real problem - hopefully we'll see what others post.
    Agreed. Load levellers are for poorly balanced trailers, better to remove the problem by balancing your trailer correctly and eliminate the need for something that attempts to correct the problem and often introduces another problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
    I don't get the subject ?, a trailer is trailer.
    Hello Loan Rangie,

    I fully agree with you. However, when I was looking at what thread to post under I found that at the description of the Trailers, Vans and Campers


    states that is a Chat specifically relating to sleeping and living quarters you tow behind your Land Rover.

    From this definition of the thread, I could be seen as breaching its description twice...
    (1) At the moment I am not going to sleep in the trailer and
    (2) I am not towing it behind a Land Rover. However, it is still a trailer.

    I do still have the ute tray camper that one of my Series 3 109s came with. I intend to re-clad the home-built unit and replace the tired marine ply with sandwich aluminum. I like the idea of sliding camper on to a trailer more than dedicating the back of a ute tray to it. The Series 3 was owned by a retired Electrical Engineer and the vehicle had done the "Big Lap" around Australia a couple of times. It had a standard 2.25 litre four cylinder diesel. It would have been a slow old trip!

    Kind regards
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    Hello Loan Rangie, 87 County, Tombie 4Bee and Xtreme,

    Thank you for the replies. They are much appreciated.

    I took the trailer fully loaded to a couple of places in town. Both Pedders and Fulcrum were closed on a Saturday here. I found that out as I drove up to both locations and their gates were closed. My first actual stop was a Jayco caravan place. The bloke was really helpful. He said something that was so obvious when we looked at it. He said all the modern load levellers are all mounted under the drawbar. Your trailer does not have enough clearance. If I do want some levellers I have to track down the old bow-bar types that are mounted on a bracket either side of the towball and the bars run parallel along the side of the drawbar.

    The bloke at Jayco did suggest getting a set of heavy duty coil springs and perhaps an airbag centre. Part of the research I did mentioned that airbag centres can make the issue worse. I will try and find the link to it again. The issue about the heavy duty springs is that they are on the car all the time and can make the normal daily drive harder.

    I also went to a couple of car modification places and some tyre dealers. Their thoughts were heavy duty rear springs and possibly air bag spring inserts.

    I did do some research about load levellers and they did say that they can just compound a problem that need not come about if weight distribution is placed correctly.

    So on Monday I will be off to Fulcrum to see what they say.

    If anyone has a set of four of the old bow-bars for old style of load levellers please let me know? I have towed my brother's trailer with them when carting a load of gravel; and the did make a difference to the ride. Okay - maybe the loads of gravel might have been a little too heavy. You know the landscape yard assistants who load with a bucket mounted onto the front of an old tractor. "I just put in a bit extra for you as part of the friendly service here".

    Kind regards
    Lionel

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    Hello All,

    Well after a close inspection of the trailer I have noticed a couple of things:
    Because the industrial rack was just that wee bit too long, I took the tailgate off. I used two ratchet tie-down straps as belly ropes to stop the load creeping backward. Despite the belly rope also going around the end of the side boards I noticed that they had crept forward on their mounting pins. I will be drilling a hole near the end of each mounting point and putting a washer and cotter pin, or split spring pin in to secure the side boards and tailgate.

    I will be getting some chain welded to each side of the tailgate so that it held open in a horizontal position.

    Another welding job will be making some steps on the sides of the trailer up towards the draw-bar end. It will make it easier to climb onto the trailer.

    I will also get a set of six of the flush mounted to the floor tie-down points fitted to the trailer.

    Also to make a set of brackets so the tailgate can be secured on the trailer on the occasions a load is too long and the tailgate is taken off. Just a couple of nuts welded to the side of the trailer and a clamp with a thread pin. Plus some rubber to dampen the vibrations and resultant sound. It means I do not have to use tie-down straps to secure the tailgate in future. You know 4Bee that means I can have a couple of spare straps to use somewhere else.

    The count of tie-down straps needed to hold down the load securely - especially with the broken pallet riding on top - was nine. Different bundles and different tiers - plus the extra straps to secure the broken pallet's load: plus, some to hold everything together on the broken pallet and other straps to secure pallet to the load.

    Now I just have to unload the trailer - wee.

    After that, I have to sort out how all the shelving bits and pieces go together.

    Then I can start sorting out a decade of poorly stored detritus of Land Rover, Chevrolet, REO Speed Wagon and Holden parts. Plus tools. Not to forget three children's worth of crap left behind when they moved away from home. Funny how this stuff migrated out of the house into my shed. I am sure I had no part of this creep of the leavings of children and its arrival into my shed. Okay my youngest is now 26 years of age so the word association of "child" would not be very welcomed.

    The words "Skip" and "bin" somehow start springing to mind. This is along with a cautionary piece of advise to said decamped children - "if you don't come and get what you want .... in the bin it goes. Too bad ... how sad".

    I am reclaiming my shed. I will let my wife park her car in it though - very reluctantly. Wish me luck!

    Gee - the photograph of my 1934-35 REO Speed Wagon and my 1940 Chevrolet Holden cab was taken when the shed was newly built and the trucks had just been towed in. Shame the shed does not look so spartan now! Heaps of detritus has to be sorted through to regain some semblance of order.

    Kind regards

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    The words “Skip” and “bin” somehow start springing to mind. This is along with a cautionary piece of advise to said decamped children – “if you don't come and get what you want .... in the bin it goes. Too bad … how sad”.

    You,you, you, ruthless bastid.

    "A man has got to do what a man has got to do" (Attrib to Wordsworth. Adam Lindsay Wordsworth) to reclaim his shed even if the action involves homicide & gaol terms.

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