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    97 Disco has blown 6 Ignition Modules, Help

    We have fried/blown 6 ignition Modules (amplifiers) in a month.

    Hi, I am a newbie to the Forum and a Yank, (so pardon my misuse of your language )and have been searching and reading posts for a couple of days now. I am in the US and am part of a mission organization in Zimbabwe. We have recently purchased 2 Japanese Disco's a 97 Model E-LJR / Chassis # SALLJR-MM3TA193707 and a 98 Model LJR-SALLJRMM3WA761853 Both 3.9L GEMS Type engines. The 97 has gone through 6 ignition Modules to date and has been towed to the Capitol City Land Rover Dealer for the 3rd time. The Coil has been replaced as it was thought to be spiking voltage. A new Fuel pump (BOSCH). I can't be sure that the dealer supplied the correct coil for the modules, but must assume so until otherwise confirmed. I have sent the info regarding the voltage to the coil with the ignition on and off

    My automobile experience is with 60's vintage Pontiac GTO's with points. I think there is an issue with too much voltage, too much heat and or insufficient grounds (earths) I also am very interestedin the excellent article by" bee utey" on the conversion and remote mounting. We have traced all the known electrical grounds (earths) and found one faulty one at the fuel pump.

    The problem is that I am in the US and leaving for Zimbabwe the end of May so I am collecting diagnostic info to pass on to my Zimbabwean friend to solve this problem before we arrive so as to have transport.

    I am appealing to the vast knowledge here to help figure out this problem. Any information will be most appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Hal

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    Hi Hal,
    While there may be overvoltage issues, the Lucas style original ignition amp has been marginal since new. Aftermarket replacements are worse. The most likely problem I would imagine in your case is that a non-compatible coil has been fitted. The Bosch conversion I have developed is good as it uses locally (Aust) available parts. In your case I would suggest you contact Crane Cams in the US as they have a range of ignition amps available. They should be able to advise the most suitable unit.

    Crane Cams | High performance multiple-spark CD ignition for racing or street

    Probably this unit: HI-6S and LX91 Coil Kit – Universal Applications
    6000-6305

    Before I developed the Bosch conversion I used quite a few Crane points conversion kits (XR700) and they were quite reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    , the Lucas style original ignition amp has been marginal since new. Aftermarket replacements are worse.
    I have seen (Ebay) aftermarkets last exactly 5 minutes from new ... If you intend on using the original AMP ... make sure it's got the original coil


    I'ld do bee utey's conversion ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    I have seen (Ebay) aftermarkets last exactly 5 minutes from new ... If you intend on using the original AMP ... make sure it's got the original coil


    I'ld do bee utey's conversion ....

    Id second that ive got bee uteys conversion and all is great

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    Hi Hal,
    While there may be overvoltage issues, the Lucas style original ignition amp has been marginal since new. Aftermarket replacements are worse. The most likely problem I would imagine in your case is that a non-compatible coil has been fitted. The Bosch conversion I have developed is good as it uses locally (Aust) available parts. In your case I would suggest you contact Crane Cams in the US as they have a range of ignition amps available. They should be able to advise the most suitable unit.

    Crane Cams | High performance multiple-spark CD ignition for racing or street

    Probably this unit: HI-6S and LX91 Coil Kit – Universal Applications
    6000-6305

    Before I developed the Bosch conversion I used quite a few Crane points conversion kits (XR700) and they were quite reliable.
    Thanks bee! (and MMEJ and Mike 90 RR)

    Sorry for not replying sooner. My wife and I got hit fairly hard in numerous tornadic thunderstorms Wednesday evening in Tennesse. Flooding, hail dinged vehicles etc. We are safe, but have been dealing with the mess for 3 days.

    I am looking at the Crane site now. TO be sure that I undrstand what you are saying. I nee the XR 700 ingnition module and optical trigger plus an installation kit. (Part No 700-2300 for Lucas) Correct?

    I also can use your Bosch Conversion? I am not clear on the availablity of the Bisch parts (I haven't searched).

    I highly suspicion a mismatch between the Coil and the Module and or the aftermarket module (which I will admit was ready to purchase).

    Thanks.
    Hal

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    Hi Hal,
    While there may be overvoltage issues, the Lucas style original ignition amp has been marginal since new. Aftermarket replacements are worse. The most likely problem I would imagine in your case is that a non-compatible coil has been fitted. The Bosch conversion I have developed is good as it uses locally (Aust) available parts. In your case I would suggest you contact Crane Cams in the US as they have a range of ignition amps available. They should be able to advise the most suitable unit.

    Crane Cams | High performance multiple-spark CD ignition for racing or street

    Probably this unit: HI-6S and LX91 Coil Kit – Universal Applications
    6000-6305

    Before I developed the Bosch conversion I used quite a few Crane points conversion kits (XR700) and they were quite reliable.
    I now see your parts recommendation, I will call Crane Monday and confirm for the 97 & 98 Disco's. I will reply back with their comments.

    Thanks again bee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halsie View Post
    I now see your parts recommendation, I will call Crane Monday and confirm for the 97 & 98 Disco's. I will reply back with their comments.

    Thanks again bee
    Hi Hal,
    I suddenly thought a multiple spark unit would not suit the Disco unless there was an adaptor to run the pulse for the ECU. I am sure Crane will point you in the right direction.

    You should be able to purchase suitable Bosch parts online through ebay. There is a coil here:

    ELECTRONIC IGNITION COIL BOSCH TURBO PERFORMANCE MEC717 | eBay

    and a module/amp here:

    IGNITION MODULE FORD HOLDEN MITSUBISHI NISSAN BOSCH 024 | eBay

    The conversion is quite easy to do, 4-5 wires, and a suitable heat sink for the amp to be screwed to. PM me if you need help finding Bosch parts as I have made a few of these kits for forum members.

    Sorry to hear about your tornado problems, it seems to have been a bumper year for bad weather so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    Hi Hal,
    I suddenly thought a multiple spark unit would not suit the Disco unless there was an adaptor to run the pulse for the ECU. I am sure Crane will point you in the right direction.

    You should be able to purchase suitable Bosch parts online through ebay. There is a coil here:

    ELECTRONIC IGNITION COIL BOSCH TURBO PERFORMANCE MEC717 | eBay

    and a module/amp here:

    IGNITION MODULE FORD HOLDEN MITSUBISHI NISSAN BOSCH 024 | eBay

    The conversion is quite easy to do, 4-5 wires, and a suitable heat sink for the amp to be screwed to. PM me if you need help finding Bosch parts as I have made a few of these kits for forum members.

    Sorry to hear about your tornado problems, it seems to have been a bumper year for bad weather so far.
    Many thanks.

    I would prefer going the Bosch route. I would like to find these parts nearby in the US if possible. When I search here, the parts places want to know what it's for meaning the year, make, model and engine.

    I looked at Nissan Maxima 6 cyl and a Pathfinder but the modules looked way different with more than 4 pins. (they aren’t # of cylinder specific are they?)

    Could you tell me the autos that the 024 is designed for? Would I also be correct that the coil for that vehicle would also be compatible?

    Your information is very much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halsie View Post
    Could you tell me the autos that the 024 is designed for?
    They are from Australian (main stream) cars


    Quote Originally Posted by Halsie View Post
    I would prefer going the Bosch route. I would like to find these parts nearby in the US if possible.

    I wonder if this is the US equivalent? .... at 15 bucks a pop ..





    BM302 Ignition Module BMW, Alfa Romeo, Citroen, Peugeot | eBay


    Cheers
    Mike

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    The Bosch 024 module was fitted to carburettor cars from all the major manufacturers (GM, Ford, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Toyota) in Australia between 1979 and 1987 approximately. I believe this was one way to increase local content and Bosch had a suitable HEI distributor design to go around. Some Aust models may have been exported to South Africa, so possibly you could find some there.

    There may be other compatible modules out there but the 024 requires no special connector plugs to use, so has been my choice.

    You may also be able to find some Chev ignition modules/amps, used on their coil-in-cap distributors. I have used 024 modules to repair these in the past, so they are very similar in function.

    Just found some in the US:

    HEI DISTRIBUTOR IGNITION CONTROL MODULE 4 PIN GM CHEVY | eBay

    HEI DISTRIBUTER IGNITION CONTROL MODULE 4 PIN GM CHEVY | eBay

    Cheers

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