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Old 3rd April 2010, 01:26 PM
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Question Browns Gas, Please read before shooting .

As stated, please read before shooting me down or replying with an opinion that Iím not interested in .
I donít want to know about Flux Capacitors of dilithium crystals or your opinion of why it cant work or its snake oil. I have read with interest related posts yesterday on this forum which turned into a cat fight, which I am not seeking. I do not care if youíre a rocket scientist unless you were running one on your rover or other vehicle I am not seeking your opinion.
If you have fitted one then I would luv to hear you opinion, for or against. Given some of the attacks launched in previous posts about the subject matter I am more then happy to hear your views via pm, if you wish to remain anonymous to avoid ridicule
My question: Has anyone fitted a Browns gas system and do you think it was a benefit to the running of your vehicle.
This is not an attack on anyone. I just want a sensible adult answer to my simple question.
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Old 3rd April 2010, 01:33 PM
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I just want a sensible adult answer to my simple question.
But will you accept such a reply?
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Old 3rd April 2010, 01:49 PM
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I am most definitely happy for any responce. To clarify I dont have one, I dont sell them. Just surfing the forums yesterday and read some old threads. I dont recall one responce where someone said I had one fitted and they dont work. plenty of arguments why they are rubbish. I stand corrected if i missed one. Please dont take get my inital forum the wrong way no insult to flux capaciters or dilithium crystals intended. Live long and prosper.
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Old 3rd April 2010, 02:57 PM
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The problem is Bazzle , that opinions/testimonials are not worth anything without objective backup like dyno sheets , measured fuel consumption etc by a trusted authority eg RACV, NRMA.

I bought a Hiclone on the sworn testimony of a friend who was a tech and I thought rational human being. He SWORE that he had got 25MPG from his RRC after fitting a Hiclone and the torque was better blah blah blah.

Ahh, it was not to be. EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.

So without some detailed before and after dyno figures etc by a NATA accredited lab, I would have no belief in anything anyone said about something as emotion laden as Brown's Gas.

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Old 3rd April 2010, 02:59 PM
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or replying with an opinion that I’m not interested in .
What exactly did you want the replied opinion to be so that we can all write what you want to hear?.


The logic behind why browns gas would work on a diesel engine in itself is sound, after all its the same basic concept as lpg fumigation and we know that that works (when its set up properly) and lets a turbo diesel engine make more power.

Providing you had an external source for the browns gas it would work.

But I bet your looking at one of those hyclone/fuel polariser/100mpg Carby/snake oil type website crackpot theories where you plug this magical device onto your engine and its electrical system and viola via the magic of internet fairy bulldust you can now get and addition 40% power while burning 80% less fuel and emitting 135.555% less carbon dioxide. But thats not all if you order in the next 20 minutes we'll send you 2 and with both installed your engine will become so effecient that it will not only triple the above figures it will also clean your engine oil, invert the fuel combustion process by forcing your vehicle to comply with the latest in Warnexpolsionthlapthy thoery so that your engine not only makes fuel it will suck in greenhouse gasses and polution, and exhaust pure oxygen, butterflies and rose petals. Hell we'll also chuck in a drip tray, a set of steak knives and a manual that if followed to the exacting standards it lays out will further increase your fuel effeciency. On top of all of that if you're not totally happy with your results after 30 days you can send it all back and we'll refund your money. (well ok most of it, we'll keep the exorbitant postage and handling charge we'll put on, a pre determined hire usage charge and the cost of the free things we sent you).

Sound familiar?

Ok now that I'm done being sarcastic about it. They dont work. and heres why its a little thing called entropy or thermodynamics or the conservation of energy, which ever of those descriptions floats your boat.

the idea we're chasing is "using electricity we can break water to make browns gas, burning browns gas makes heat engergy, by converting heat energy to physical motion we can spin a generator which makes electricity, by making electricity we can break water to make browns gas, burning browns gas...."

sounds like a recipy for perpetual motion when its put that way doesnt it?

and thats why it doesnt, in fact cant, work the way its described on all those wonderful sites.

Making enough browns gas to even assist an engine to run properly will consume more energy than you can liberate from the quantity of gas you generate.

OR

It takes more energy to make a liter of browns gas than a liter of browns gas generates when burnt.

and thats before you even get to the fact that assuming browns gas had a perfect entropy the way that they are doing it involves no fewer than 3 "energy state" (electrical-chemical, chemical-thermal, thermal-kenetic, kenetic-electrical) changes and each one of those has an inherent loss.

and thats before you consider the inherent losses involved in the friction of an engine OR the fact that you're asking the engine to do work which consume power out of the combustion process.
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Blknight.aus is 1/2 correct but then he is correct in the fact that it will not work but his reasons why are not correct.

The addition of hydrogen to the combustion chamber or as an additive to a fuel (which the manufactures do anyway)

the up side is and a fuel additive it enhances the burn of your diesel fuel is not a fuel in its self therefore the how much energy used to make the stuff vers how much you get out of it is not applicable. it would be if you were trying to run a motor solely on their fuel ( perpetual motion).

The stumbling block comes in the manufacture of the gas. in this case you used the name browns gas. Brown used a different chemical to assist the electrolysis, I assume that you have been looking on the net and therefore are looking at just adding some caustic soda? is not browns gas.

the gas by nature is hydrogen and oxygen, perfectly mixed to make a nice bag, in short where eve you set this unit up in your vehicle you are installing a bomb, secondly to produce enough gas requires larger plates than is usably shown in these internet scams, for a 200 300 tdi think 4 tuck batteries. then you have to have some where to store that gas as production will never be inline with demand, flash back system, water safeguard etc etc, safety devices to prevent over pressurizing as well an meting systems etc etc

So to get this to work is not quite as simple as you are lead to believe.

having said that, you could set your gas production at home then compress it in to a tank, run the thing of solar? But then you could do away with the solar and just chuck an few handfuls of aluminum in with your caustic soda and compress that. or even you could get some aluminum welding wire run a current though it while submerged etc or even better set out a mirror array to focus the sun on to a vessel full of waste oil and plastic so that it heats up to about 780 deg then condense it at say 400 deg pesto you have diesel etc

should i go on?


oh and yes i have built a few of these units and yes they can assist but never in the manor or the way that the internet seems to claim. My largest system consisted of 52 plates sandwidged together, problems with water flow and self adjusting power supply plagued me
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Well it looks like i have opened a can of worms. Fellas Just looking for an answer on the question.

(My question: Has anyone fitted a Browns gas system and do you think it was a benefit to the running of your vehicle.)

I thank you for the responses but its a Simple two part question

1. Have you fitted one, Possible answers ( yes or no). If no, no further responce required.2. Was there any benefit, Possible answers ( yes or no & your opinion)

Folks if you have not fitted one, why reply?

Please i'm not trying to be Martyr or a Smart arse. Its like telling someone how to ride a horse when you have never been near one or read about how to do it in a book
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You really don't think that after opening said can o' worms, someone will actually own up to having tried one???
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